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post Jan 29 2010, 01:56 AM
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Just want some opinions and ideas of how to go about recording.

Currently I do not have any high tech ressources or devices that are truly meant to record songs. I am recording on my computer through a program called Audacity (which does a good job allowing me to mix seperate tracks together). However, I have no way to get them onto my band's Facebook page with a very clear quality.

To get the songs onto Facebook I have to record the song I have already recorded through facebook! haha I know it's wierd.

So what can I do, get or use to be able to enhance my recordings and get them online or on cd's so I can start building my band's reputation?

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post Jan 29 2010, 02:27 AM
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I'm not sure what do you mean by recording through facebook? If you have the song on your computer in any audio format - convert it to mp3 and upload to myspace, facebook fan pages etc?

For home recording I recommend getting POD Studio ux1 recording interface (usb) + Reaper (free recording software).

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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jan 28 2010, 08:27 PM) *
I'm not sure what do you mean by recording through facebook? If you have the song on your computer in any audio format - convert it to mp3 and upload to myspace, facebook fan pages etc?

For home recording I recommend getting POD Studio ux1 recording interface (usb) + Reaper (free recording software).

You should be able to get great recordings with that gear.



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post Jan 29 2010, 03:18 AM
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What I mean is I would record the song on Audacity, which can sound pretty good if you do it right. Then I would go on Facebook, go to Record Video, play the recording of my song from audacity, and let the facebook app record it as a "video".

It's complex I know lol.

How much does that equipment you mentioned cost usually?

QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jan 29 2010, 02:27 AM) *
I'm not sure what do you mean by recording through facebook? If you have the song on your computer in any audio format - convert it to mp3 and upload to myspace, facebook fan pages etc?

For home recording I recommend getting POD Studio ux1 recording interface (usb) + Reaper (free recording software).

You should be able to get great recordings with that gear.



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post Jan 29 2010, 10:47 AM
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I think there are a number of things that you may want to consider...

If you want to record your band at a reasonable quality level then Audacity will only go so far. It is meant to be a wave editor and is not really recording software - its recording functions are quite basic.

As Bogdan suggests Reaper is recording software and is free to evaluate but costs 60USD for a license. It operates as a digital multi-track tracking, mixing and recording environment. See here for some intro lessons on how to use it with guitar. (At some point when I have lots of free time I'll add some more.)

As you can already get your sound in to Audacity then I'll assume you have an audio card already set up albeit you may want to check that you're not clipping it. At some stage you might want to consider upgrading your audio card but that depends on what you have, need and want.

Facebook (and Youtube) prefers you to upload your audio/video in a format that it likes - hence why you're going through your 'double recording' bit. Neither use codecs that are audio 'friendly' however - both use codecs that compress the audio in quite a poor way. Best advice here is to minimise compression when you record - and by that I don't just mean turn down any compressor/dynamic processor hardware or software that you may use but also use less amp distortion.

You might also want to look at how you are rendering your music and the file format you save. As you're in Audacity and exporting the audio to Facebook I guess you're using mp3 via LAME. LAME has a tendency to sum an additional 0.3-0.5 dB to the audio. That means if you record your music with the levels near to clipping then LAME can quite easily take the audio in to digital clipping/distortion. So you need to lower your master level to allow for this before you render to mp3 in Audacity.

Alternatively you might want to render using a different format than mp3. Speaking as a mastering engineer, mp3 - although a very common and popular format - does not produce good quality audio partly because mp3 is a lossy, or compressed, format. I guess though that you have to use mp3 due to Facebook however. If you can use any format then for really want good quality you should use wave or some other loss less format and you should take care over how you both sample rate correct and alter the bit depth.



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post Jan 29 2010, 06:18 PM
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I recommend that you get UX1 device, it's around 150$, but well worth it. It will solve all your recording problems. You can then download and use Reaper as a free DAW.


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post Jan 30 2010, 04:02 AM
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Wow! Thank you for all that info! But one question. I can't use MP3 for facebook. I don't know why and honestly I just want a nice clean recording on there that people can appreciate. What can I do to have a wider variation of formats?

I just purchased the program Reaper as suggested in a previous comment.

Any advice?

QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jan 29 2010, 10:47 AM) *
I think there are a number of things that you may want to consider...

If you want to record your band at a reasonable quality level then Audacity will only go so far. It is meant to be a wave editor and is not really recording software - its recording functions are quite basic.

As Bogdan suggests Reaper is recording software and is free to evaluate but costs 60USD for a license. It operates as a digital multi-track tracking, mixing and recording environment. See here for some intro lessons on how to use it with guitar. (At some point when I have lots of free time I'll add some more.)

As you can already get your sound in to Audacity then I'll assume you have an audio card already set up albeit you may want to check that you're not clipping it. At some stage you might want to consider upgrading your audio card but that depends on what you have, need and want.

Facebook (and Youtube) prefers you to upload your audio/video in a format that it likes - hence why you're going through your 'double recording' bit. Neither use codecs that are audio 'friendly' however - both use codecs that compress the audio in quite a poor way. Best advice here is to minimise compression when you record - and by that I don't just mean turn down any compressor/dynamic processor hardware or software that you may use but also use less amp distortion.

You might also want to look at how you are rendering your music and the file format you save. As you're in Audacity and exporting the audio to Facebook I guess you're using mp3 via LAME. LAME has a tendency to sum an additional 0.3-0.5 dB to the audio. That means if you record your music with the levels near to clipping then LAME can quite easily take the audio in to digital clipping/distortion. So you need to lower your master level to allow for this before you render to mp3 in Audacity.

Alternatively you might want to render using a different format than mp3. Speaking as a mastering engineer, mp3 - although a very common and popular format - does not produce good quality audio partly because mp3 is a lossy, or compressed, format. I guess though that you have to use mp3 due to Facebook however. If you can use any format then for really want good quality you should use wave or some other loss less format and you should take care over how you both sample rate correct and alter the bit depth.



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post Jan 30 2010, 05:51 AM
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QUOTE (BM @ Jan 30 2010, 04:02 AM) *
Wow! Thank you for all that info! But one question. I can't use MP3 for facebook. I don't know why and honestly I just want a nice clean recording on there that people can appreciate. What can I do to have a wider variation of formats?

I just purchased the program Reaper as suggested in a previous comment.

Any advice?


For facebook as I know it, you have to make a musician fan page, there you can ad the music player app and upload your mp3s for listening.


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post Jan 31 2010, 04:23 AM
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True.

I just created that page today. Then I did a REALLY good cover of Welcome Home by Coheed and Cambria. But now Reaper (the system suggested above for recording) won't convert it into MP3 form! Ugh! Who knows a program that will convert it so I can finally get it on the page?

QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jan 30 2010, 05:51 AM) *
For facebook as I know it, you have to make a musician fan page, there you can ad the music player app and upload your mp3s for listening.



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QUOTE (BM @ Jan 31 2010, 03:23 AM) *
True.

I just created that page today. Then I did a REALLY good cover of Welcome Home by Coheed and Cambria. But now Reaper (the system suggested above for recording) won't convert it into MP3 form! Ugh! Who knows a program that will convert it so I can finally get it on the page?

We have just spoken about it in chat room. Glad you sorted it out now.


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QUOTE (BM @ Jan 31 2010, 04:23 AM) *
True.

...Who knows a program that will convert it so I can finally get it on the page?


Reaper needs the LAME mp3 encoder installed to be able to render mp3s.


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Thank you Emir! You're help is greatly appreciated!

If you have time and can go on facebook look up Megido and the cover of Welcome Home is on the music player smile.gif

Thanks again

Connor

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jan 31 2010, 05:37 AM) *
We have just spoken about it in chat room. Glad you sorted it out now.



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QUOTE (BM @ Jan 31 2010, 04:13 PM) *
Thank you Emir! You're help is greatly appreciated!

If you have time and can go on facebook look up Megido and the cover of Welcome Home is on the music player smile.gif

Thanks again

Connor

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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 29 2010, 06:18 PM) *
I recommend that you get UX1 device, it's around 150$, but well worth it. It will solve all your recording problems. You can then download and use Reaper as a free DAW.


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