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post Feb 1 2010, 11:02 PM
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Hi guys. Thanks for your playing in this collab. Here is the mix and the comments.

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Jafomatic – 00:00 – 00:43
Great phrasing in this one. Very tasteful rock licks with enough breaks in between. The sound is also very nice plus the addition with staccato playing that gave it very rocky feel. There were some small timing issues in your licks but overall I like this take a lot. Make sure you play them as tight as possible. Just to remind you about exporting the track. We've already had a conversation about it in the chat room. Always import the track back in your DAW or open in some sound editing software to make sure that the track is mono, enough bitrate (256 is good for this) and the signal which should be around -6db. You muted one channel completely so if your sound had a bit of a definition on the other one (L or R) then we lost that bit. Recording and exporting in mono will always work but do check it after you export. Good work with this take.

JamesT – 00:43 – 01:22
Good concept James. It's a pretty decent take but most of the runs weren't precise. You opened with an interesting lick but then you unexpectedly stopped for like 2-3 seconds. That bit didn't really fit at all. Sounded like you didn't know what to play smile.gif Your legato technique needs a bit more work. Pull offs should be stronger. This affects your timing which wasn't very precise throughout the whole take. The last long lick was sloppy. That's a very common rock lick and it only works if it's played tight. Also the last bend was out of tune. You were close to a great take with your ideas but only if everything was executed properly. I've seen many of your takes on GMC forum and you're a very talented guitarist. To be honest I did expect a bit more from you in this one but we'll leave it for the next time. Thanks for collaborating smile.gif

Maharzan - 01:23 – 02:01
This is a nice modal approach when improvising with licks. I was happy to hear that you were following all those advices from MTP or at least sounds like that. There were some timing issues but nothing that dangerous. I really liked the entering to D minor chord. Even before that you started with some great phrasing and really opened the new kind of atmosphere from D minor until the end. Those are very interesting ideas with small bends and short breaks. Just the last scale shouldn’t really last that long. I thought you would stop on my last Am chord. You went all the way and cut the last note like with scissors smile.gif I said before that we shouldn’t interfere with the next take. That’s why I left that last chord longer so you have time to land on your last note nicely. You sent me the clean guitar to mix smile.gif I said no effects but that doesn’t apply to the distortion. I meant delays/reverbs... You have to find a good distortion so I can mix it. I used your distorted sound which had effects on it as the clean guitar doesn’t help me. Anyway, lot of nice phrases in this one. Well done.

Marek Rojewski - 02:02 – 02:41
This take has many interesting rock techniques but played very dirty. The first part (berofe D minor chord) sounded much better than the second one. Some parts reminded me of Ritchie Blackmore which of course I like smile.gif In the second part you had many out of tune notes with a very nervous vibrato. You should really work on the vibrato. You need it especially in the strong rock phrasing. The next thing that you can improve is your sound. This sounds like from some kind of tight tunnel and also has some strange chorus effect or it might be just my impression. It’s just somehow too aggressive. A couple of the last long notes were way out of tune and dirty played. Those really didn’t fit in your solo structure. Some squeaky sound which was really a shock smile.gif The very last lick should be played with hammer on and pull off. You picked it all but very dirty. I think I know what you wanted to play but picking is not the way to go for that one. I liked your tapping sections and some other ideas but you really need to clean up most of it. Thanks for the take.

NoSkill - 02:41 – 03:20
This take introduces some very common rock pentatonic licks. I said in my introduction post that you can feel free to use A minor pentatonic. That always works if you’re struggling with modes. There were some very common licks with bends but unfortunately hardly any of the bends was in tune. The very last note was really dirty. You should have cleaned that one up smile.gif The sound was too much in some middle frequencies. I applied 2 EQs to try to warm it up a bit. The very beginning (opening pentatonic staccato phrase) strangely clipped into peak with a huge bass frequency. You can even tell by looking in the graphical view of the take. I had to draw the volume line there in the mix to kill that part like for 10db down. Warmer and more defined sound would sound better with your licks but overall this was still acceptable. To be honest I would have been pleased to hear at least 1 or 2 licks that were not pure A minor pentatonic but never mind, you can go for more spicy stuff next time. Thanks for finding time to collaborate smile.gif

Rlejr - 03:20 – 03:59
This take differs from the others because of the clean sound. I said we need a nice overdriven sound but I'll forgive you here because your solo sounded great. Full of nice lines and rock licks. The opening line was really great and also some other ones. Now let me tell you about the recording technique. Not sure if you read my introduction post completely but I said that you shouldn’t use effects or if you have to then do not overdo it as I want to have some room for mixing. In this case I couldn’t touch anything as you have 10 tons of reverb and delay in your sound. There is no way for me to remove it and find a nice place for your take in the mix. This way it sounds like it floats over the backing and most of your notes lose definition because of too much effects applied. You can mix one take yourself with effects so I can hear what you want to achieve then send the solo take dry so I can try to recreate it. Remember this tip next time, that’s how everyone records and make the engineer’s life easier smile.gif Thanks for the take I really liked the playing in this one.

ruben_mcn - 04:00 – 04:38
This take has some nice lines but played too sloppy. I am sure you can hear all those so I hope you know what you have to work on. These are some that I noticed. The very opening phrase with long notes had a very inconsistent or no vibrato at all. So that’s one thing that you really need to improve in order to sound much stronger. Every rock guitarist has to have a strong vibrato. That gives about 30% or more of your playing impression. The other thing is your bends which are not really in tune. The sound is over distorted so when you go for faster runs I can’t really hear all of it. This is especially case when you play on the 4th, 5th and the 6th string. There is also too much bass in the sound. I am not sure what you’re using but if it’s a POD or some kind of amp modelling software then find some warmer distortion which has a better definition. When you hit the whole barre chord over all 6 strings you should still be able to recognise all of the notes individually. When you find an overdriven sound like that then you should be ok. The take itself wasn’t bad. Some cool rock licks and lines in there. Just try to polish all these things and you’ll sound much better.

Sensible Jones - 04:39 – 05:18
Another clean sound but this time pure David Gilmour smile.gif I even heard a part of the solo from "Another Brick in the Wall" smile.gif That was a surprise but it did fit great into this backing. Maybe just a bit of overdrive would be nice. Even Gilmour plays that solo with overdrive nowadays. You have really good sense for making a solo which is not overplayed. Short breaks between phrases make it sound professional and nicely structured. That was a very positive thing to notice. I’ve always liked those licks in 6ths intervals like the very last one. They always sound great. Your vibrato is also very nice in all the licks. Just enough amount of it. Actually I didn’t find anything that serious to negatively criticise. Nice solo, full of tasteful licks and great structure. The only thing that you didn’t do was the mono track which I always repeat but never mind. Great work.

Staffay - 05:18 – end

Nice take Staffy. We all know that you’re experienced player and I’ve always enjoyed your uploads and youtube videos. We can call you rock/blues father at GMC smile.gif Your take had some very cool pentatonic licks. I like when you stop and make a short rest between phrases. I have to say that some phrases were not clean but nearly there. The lick on 5:28 was dirty. That lick is a very common pentatonic lick and it shouldn’t be a problem for you to play it tight. Another one was at 5:41. You started really strong and powerful but you nearly lost it towards the end. I guess you just need a bit more strength when playing faster runs. The ending arpeggios were also very dirty but I know that the shred is not really your safe territory even though I liked the idea smile.gif Overall very nicely structured take played with a nice rock sound. Thanks

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post Feb 1 2010, 11:18 PM
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Thx. Emir for the effort! Yeah, I very well know that I'm playing on my limit here technically-wise, with a little more time to practise it, it may have came out better..... But as I said, this new guitar IS fast and plays almost by itself, so I guess I have to do some fast playing/timing exercises... biggrin.gif And learn some fast licks.... now I used the few I know.... tongue.gif

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QUOTE (Staffy @ Feb 1 2010, 10:18 PM) *
Thx. Emir for the effort! Yeah, I very well know that I'm playing on my limit here technically-wise, with a little more time to practise it, it may have came out better..... But as I said, this new guitar IS fast and plays almost by itself, so I guess I have to do some fast playing/timing exercises... biggrin.gif And learn some fast licks.... now I used the few I know.... tongue.gif

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Thanks man. I enjoyed your take. Don't worry about the fast playing here. I prefer to watch you doing SRV kind of thing smile.gif


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Feb 1 2010, 11:19 PM) *
Thanks man. I enjoyed your take. Don't worry about the fast playing here. I prefer to watch you doing SRV kind of thing smile.gif


Yeah, thats really what I like to play, kinda dirty but controlled in some way.... but practicing faster stuff also gets the timing better when playing slower stuff, so I'm really has to force myself to do some AP-picking stuff, I began some months ago but got disrupted by writing some songs and started to do some jazz stuff again.... *lol*


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post Feb 2 2010, 03:47 AM
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Ouch mad.gif .. brutally honest man huh.gif ... but so true.
I think that you just wrote my entire practice agenda for next year. biggrin.gif Regarding legato pull-offs, I really noticed this when practicing your B-Minor ballad solo. That last run is murder. I think that this take of mine does illustrate some of the things I should be working on technique wise. Still if I look back a year or so, I think that all of these have gotten a little better. Rest assured, I'm working on all of these items. I really think that technically I'm only about 20 percent away from being a much better player, but this next 20% is going to be really tough. Thanks for the great backing track, the inspiration and the ...er ...constructive comments!

JamesT – 00:43 – 01:22
Good concept James. It's a pretty decent take but most of the runs weren't precise. You opened with an interesting lick but then you unexpectedly stopped for like 2-3 seconds. That bit didn't really fit at all. Sounded like you didn't know what to play smile.gif Your legato technique needs a bit more work. Pull offs should be stronger. This affects your timing which wasn't very precise throughout the whole take. The last long lick was sloppy. That's a very common rock lick and it only works if it's played tight. Also the last bend was out of tune. You were close to a great take with your ideas but only if everything was executed properly. I've seen many of your takes on GMC forum and you're a very talented guitarist. To be honest I did expect a bit more from you in this one but we'll leave it for the next time. Thanks for collaborating smile.gif



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post Feb 2 2010, 04:43 AM
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QUOTE (JamesT @ Feb 2 2010, 02:47 AM) *
Ouch mad.gif .. brutally honest man huh.gif ... but so true.
I think that you just wrote my entire practice agenda for next year. biggrin.gif Regarding legato pull-offs, I really noticed this when practicing your B-Minor ballad solo. That last run is murder. I think that this take of mine does illustrate some of the things I should be working on technique wise. Still if I look back a year or so, I think that all of these have gotten a little better. Rest assured, I'm working on all of these items. I really think that technically I'm only about 20 percent away from being a much better player, but this next 20% is going to be really tough. Thanks for the great backing track, the inspiration and the ...er ...constructive comments!

JamesT – 00:43 – 01:22
Good concept James. It's a pretty decent take but most of the runs weren't precise. You opened with an interesting lick but then you unexpectedly stopped for like 2-3 seconds. That bit didn't really fit at all. Sounded like you didn't know what to play smile.gif Your legato technique needs a bit more work. Pull offs should be stronger. This affects your timing which wasn't very precise throughout the whole take. The last long lick was sloppy. That's a very common rock lick and it only works if it's played tight. Also the last bend was out of tune. You were close to a great take with your ideas but only if everything was executed properly. I've seen many of your takes on GMC forum and you're a very talented guitarist. To be honest I did expect a bit more from you in this one but we'll leave it for the next time. Thanks for collaborating smile.gif

Well you made me very happy by letting me know that you took my comment that way. I pretty much know your level and honestly, apart from what you have to work on, I did expect a bit more because I know you can play better than this. Precious thing is when you come to the point to realise the weak spots yourself without anyone telling you. That's when we all progress by knowing what we need to fix. 20% that you're talking about are very close and trust me when you reach it there will be another 20% and so on smile.gif I think we should all improve to the level where we feel comfortable enough to play whatever we like and be able to join any band without any fear. You don't need 10 years for that. You are at the point where it's all about polishing bits and pieces. You don't need to re-learn anything. Just don't give up and be patient. You will recognise when you reach that point even before people start saying "hey, this guy rocks".


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Emir,

Thanks for the kind words about my contrib. As you can tell I'm not nearly as fast as most of these guys, so I try to make up for it with bits that fit and sound good in the tune to my ears. I'm sorry about the effects. Excuses to follow:
  • I did not read the instructions several times and carefully
  • This was my 1st collab
  • I had just received a new Digitech GSP-1101 and I was struggling to find a preset that sounded decent.
  • I'm use to mixing my own tunes and forgot to consider your challenge as the engineer.


Next time I will behave more appropriately biggrin.gif

The GSP-1101 is not going to cut it BTW. Sending it back tomorrow and have an Axe-FX on the way.

Once again, I loved your backing track. I actually think there is a great song waiting to burst out of those chord progressions.
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QUOTE (rlejr @ Feb 2 2010, 05:11 AM) *
Emir,

Thanks for the kind words about my contrib. As you can tell I'm not nearly as fast as most of these guys, so I try to make up for it with bits that fit and sound good in the tune to my ears. I'm sorry about the effects. Excuses to follow:
  • I did not read the instructions several times and carefully
  • This was my 1st collab
  • I had just received a new Digitech GSP-1101 and I was struggling to find a preset that sounded decent.
  • I'm use to mixing my own tunes and forgot to consider your challenge as the engineer.


Next time I will behave more appropriately biggrin.gif

The GSP-1101 is not going to cut it BTW. Sending it back tomorrow and have an Axe-FX on the way.

Once again, I loved your backing track. I actually think there is a great song waiting to burst out of those chord progressions.

Well that explains it all smile.gif Read the instructions and you'll be ok. Apart from the sound I could hear that you have a great taste for soloing. Regarding the backing, feel free to use it for free if you have a song idea smile.gif I am usually composing much stronger stuff on my albums. This was made for GMC purpose but I do also think that a cool song can be made of this.


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Cool solo guys smile.gif

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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Feb 1 2010, 10:02 PM) *
Sensible Jones - 04:39 – 05:18
Another clean sound but this time pure David Gilmour smile.gif I even heard a part of the solo from "Another Brick in the Wall" smile.gif That was a surprise but it did fit great into this backing. Maybe just a bit of overdrive would be nice. Even Gilmour plays that solo with overdrive nowadays. You have really good sense for making a solo which is not overplayed. Short breaks between phrases make it sound professional and nicely structured. That was a very positive thing to notice. I’ve always liked those licks in 6ths intervals like the very last one. They always sound great. Your vibrato is also very nice in all the licks. Just enough amount of it. Actually I didn’t find anything that serious to negatively criticise. Nice solo, full of tasteful licks and great structure. The only thing that you didn’t do was the mono track which I always repeat but never mind. Great work.

Wow! Thanks for that Emir!! I enjoyed doing this one, I did start with a more overdriven sound but it sounded a bit too messy to me so I rolled it back until it sounded right! Sorry about not posting it as a Mono track. I set Reaper for Mono when recording I'll check the settings to see if it automatically renders to Stereo. Thanks again for this one Emir!!
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Emir many thanks for the comment. As I said, I planed to make a much cleaner take, but than forgot to do it:/ The additional problem is that the guitar is awfully set now, so hardly anything is spot in tune:/ Anyway the tips You gave surely will guide me to play better:)


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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Feb 2 2010, 11:45 AM) *
Wow! Thanks for that Emir!! I enjoyed doing this one, I did start with a more overdriven sound but it sounded a bit too messy to me so I rolled it back until it sounded right! Sorry about not posting it as a Mono track. I set Reaper for Mono when recording I'll check the settings to see if it automatically renders to Stereo. Thanks again for this one Emir!!
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Thanks man. Your solo was really cool.

QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Feb 2 2010, 01:16 PM) *
Emir many thanks for the comment. As I said, I planed to make a much cleaner take, but than forgot to do it:/ The additional problem is that the guitar is awfully set now, so hardly anything is spot in tune:/ Anyway the tips You gave surely will guide me to play better:)

I remember you said that but I had to comment on what I've heard smile.gif Look for the next one soon and fix it smile.gif


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Great phrasing in this one. Very tasteful rock licks with enough breaks in between. The sound is also very nice plus the addition with staccato playing that gave it very rocky feel. There were some small timing issues in your licks but overall I like this take a lot. Make sure you play them as tight as possible. Just to remind you about exporting the track. We've already had a conversation about it in the chat room. Always import the track back in your DAW or open in some sound editing software to make sure that the track is mono, enough bitrate (256 is good for this) and the signal which should be around -6db. You muted one channel completely so if your sound had a bit of a definition on the other one (L or R) then we lost that bit. Recording and exporting in mono will always work but do check it after you export. Good work with this take.


Emir,

Thanks for the feedback and the time taken, I really appreciate the tips as always. I have been experiencing some timing issues this last week and I'm not entirely sure of the cause. One idea that presents itself is the decision and hesitation caused by me choosing to stick entirely (or even just mostly) in pentatonic which removes a lot of my more commonly-used phrases. Perhaps I need to revisit the library of pentatonic-rock-licks soon smile.gif

I'll make sure to test the exported tracks for true mono in the future. I may have to render mono wav then convert to mp3 afterward.

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QUOTE (jafomatic @ Feb 2 2010, 04:05 PM) *
Emir,

Thanks for the feedback and the time taken, I really appreciate the tips as always. I have been experiencing some timing issues this last week and I'm not entirely sure of the cause. One idea that presents itself is the decision and hesitation caused by me choosing to stick entirely (or even just mostly) in pentatonic which removes a lot of my more commonly-used phrases. Perhaps I need to revisit the library of pentatonic-rock-licks soon smile.gif

I'll make sure to test the exported tracks for true mono in the future. I may have to render mono wav then convert to mp3 afterward.

Thanks again man smile.gif

Thanks for finding time for this. The solo was good. We should all have strong rock lick library built smile.gif See you next time


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Thanks Emir for the feedback. I will try my best next time to 'properly' do it. smile.gif So many things to learn still.

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QUOTE (maharzan @ Feb 3 2010, 11:36 AM) *
Thanks Emir for the feedback. I will try my best next time to 'properly' do it. smile.gif So many things to learn still.

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i admire your strength to criticism Emir, it's so crude but not rude.
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