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post Feb 6 2010, 01:21 AM
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I have a B.C. Rich Avenge SOB that I really like. There is one problem though, it has terrible fret buzz. I raised the bridge a lot and it only helped a little. the first fret is unplayable, and the higher frets suck to play because the strings are so far away from the fretboard. Is there anything I can do? I was thinking if the neck-bridge-string-holder-thingy could be removed, I could just put some thin piece of something under it, raising the strings up where I need them to be raised.
Anybody ever done this, know if it will work, or knows if it's a terrible idea?
Any other ideas? I would really appreciate it.
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post Feb 6 2010, 02:28 AM
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Raising the saddle heights at the bridge can only do so much if the problem is neck relief. Have you eyeballed the that, or adjusted the truss rod? barring that, you can take it to a luthier and find out if the neck relief is truly incorrect or if a re-fretting is needed.


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post Feb 6 2010, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE (Shenanigans @ Feb 5 2010, 06:21 PM) *
I have a B.C. Rich Avenge SOB that I really like. There is one problem though, it has terrible fret buzz. I raised the bridge a lot and it only helped a little. the first fret is unplayable, and the higher frets suck to play because the strings are so far away from the fretboard. Is there anything I can do? I was thinking if the neck-bridge-string-holder-thingy could be removed, I could just put some thin piece of something under it, raising the strings up where I need them to be raised.
Anybody ever done this, know if it will work, or knows if it's a terrible idea?
Any other ideas? I would really appreciate it.


Yes (if I'm understanding you correctly), I did something similar to my Epiphone Les Paul to compensate for fret buzz and then
poor string action after I also raised the bridge. My problem was also with the first fret on the E string among several others.
I removed the neck from the body and inserted small pieces of cardboard (several times before I got it right) to correct the problem.
It took hours to get it right but in the end it was better than when I bought it and had almost perfect fretting and string
action throughout. I think this kind of lack in craftsmanship is what makes the difference between the cheaper and more
expensive models. I've had to correct problems on every guitar I ever owned except for the one I have now.
My Michael Kelly Hex XT (PRS) model. Now all I need is better equipment to play it on - first things first I
suppose. Anyway, just be careful with what your doing and at least you won't make it any worse.
If not, I also suggest taking it to a professional. But, try what Jaffomatic said first. smile.gif
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post Feb 6 2010, 02:52 AM
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Your Neck isn't set up correctly to your string tension!
If you have buzz on the first 12 frets it is most likey due to a not properly adjustet truss rod. If you got a lot of buzz on the higher strings it is more likey that the bridge is set not high enough.

Set your bridge to a normal level and untighten the truss rod a little. If you still get a lot of buzz even with a reliefed neck then it's the nut that's causing it: it might be carved out too deep and you need a replacement (happened to my Explorer, it's at the luthier for a new nut...)


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post Feb 6 2010, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE (Shenanigans @ Feb 6 2010, 01:21 AM) *
I have a B.C. Rich Avenge SOB that I really like. There is one problem though, it has terrible fret buzz. I raised the bridge a lot and it only helped a little. the first fret is unplayable, and the higher frets suck to play because the strings are so far away from the fretboard. Is there anything I can do? I was thinking if the neck-bridge-string-holder-thingy could be removed, I could just put some thin piece of something under it, raising the strings up where I need them to be raised.
Anybody ever done this, know if it will work, or knows if it's a terrible idea?
Any other ideas? I would really appreciate it.



, there is some amount of string buzz that is acceptible, as long as your amp doesn't pick it up and it doesn't shorten the ring of the string
if it is more i would at least get my feet wet trying to fix it myself before i took it to a shop
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post Feb 6 2010, 04:17 AM
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Okay, thanks everyone. How exactly do I adjust the truss rod? I know thats the thing in the neck but... yeah

EDIT: - googled a few articles, made some slight adjusments, and it worked! Thanks guys. It plays better than any of my guitars now. I guess I'm pretty lucky. I was able to lower the bridge and now i have great action all throughout the neck. WOO!

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post Feb 6 2010, 10:54 AM
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I always take my guitar to a tech to get it setup when something is wrong.. When it is set up properly it stays like that for a very long time (depending on the hardware of course)..

A tech can make a bad guitar into a good guitar, and a good guitar into a fantastic guitar..


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post Feb 6 2010, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE (Ruzz @ Feb 6 2010, 10:54 AM) *
I always take my guitar to a tech to get it setup when something is wrong.. When it is set up properly it stays like that for a very long time (depending on the hardware of course)..

A tech can make a bad guitar into a good guitar, and a good guitar into a fantastic guitar..


It is so much more rewarding to be able to set up guitars on your own!
I think every guitarist should be able to do a basic mainentance of his instruments so I went to a guitar tech and asked him if he could explain me how to set up a guitar while he was setting up mine! Now I can set my guitars up pretty good and practice makes things perfect!


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post Feb 6 2010, 08:40 PM
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Be aware when you play with your trussroads tho.... Never turn more then 1/4 turn per day. Sometime it can take a while to set the guitar up but you are not ruining everything.


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post Feb 18 2010, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Feb 6 2010, 01:48 PM) *
It is so much more rewarding to be able to set up guitars on your own!
I think every guitarist should be able to do a basic mainentance of his instruments so I went to a guitar tech and asked him if he could explain me how to set up a guitar while he was setting up mine! Now I can set my guitars up pretty good and practice makes things perfect!


well, I think that's a good advice, at least do it once so you can get better eventually


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post Feb 18 2010, 06:25 PM
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A ot of the time the relief in the neck will be causing problems, adding shims (cardboard) isn't the best way to go, unless you want to make a bolt on neck tilt backwards like a gibson neck.

I would say the problem is high frets, after a while dues to a number of reasons some frets can end up been higher than others. even if its just one fret this can mean the action has to be raised much higher than it should be to get rid of the buzz.

you can get one of these stew mac

from http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Fretting_suppl...ret_Rocker.html

it will tell you if you have high frets. or you can make one out of a steel ruler & a hacksaw.

If you have then you have to re-level and re-dress your frets. You can do it yourself but you need a crowning file and it maybe safer to take it to a luthier.

if you are going to start to play around with set up do it on an old rubbish guitar you don't care about, or even better buy on from a second hand store and practise on, even doing re-frets. You wouldn't be very happy if you snapped the truss rod in your les paul standard!!
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post Feb 18 2010, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Feb 6 2010, 01:48 PM) *
It is so much more rewarding to be able to set up guitars on your own!
I think every guitarist should be able to do a basic mainentance of his instruments so I went to a guitar tech and asked him if he could explain me how to set up a guitar while he was setting up mine! Now I can set my guitars up pretty good and practice makes things perfect!


+1 Its easy when You have learned the basics, no mystery at all - presumed that the neck is straight and the frets are OK.

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post Feb 19 2010, 01:41 AM
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Save yourself a hassle and take it to guitar tech. I can setup my guitar no problem, but I just like to go and give a guy to do the job for me, I don't want to bother with it if I don't have to, I mean who likes to adjust trussrods anyway wink.gif One downside of this "approach" is that you have to be sure that guitar tech is the right guy for the job, and understands your needs.

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