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Hi,
I would like to buy a guitar to play rock, I actually own a squier strato... I'm looking for a better sound. I don't like his tremolo/bridge and I'd prefer a floyd rose.
I've a budget of about 600€, what guitar would you suggest?


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post Mar 1 2010, 07:44 PM
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Do you really want a tremolo? Because you can't just change tunings on a Floyd Rose, it takes a whole new setup to change the tuning!
Also I would vote against a Floyd Rose because for 600$ you won't get a guitar with a Real Floyd Rose (unless you buy a used guitar) and the cheaper liscensed Tremolos don't keep the tuning so well...

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It's not really important the tremolo, I don't use because of the problem of the tuning, so if I must have one on my guitar I'd prefer a Floyd Rose.

I was looking to a first REAL guitar, and so I'm collecting some suggestions.

(I like les pauls but they're really expensive for my budget, maybe it will be my third guitar smile.gif )

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The get a guitar without a tremolo! No tunig problems, better sustain, better tone - if you don't use the trem then it's best to not have one!

Here are some suggestions (without a trem)

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Schecter-Guita...552-i1503882.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/PRS-SE-Singlec...012-i1479946.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/ESP-LTD-MH-350...467-i1503628.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Deluxe-...067-i1146266.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-DN500-E...117-i1499727.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Limit...543-i1449637.gc

with trem:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Deluxe-...697-i1147164.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-RG420-E...363-i1435787.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-S570B-E...141-i1499769.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/ESP-LTD-M-300F...492-i1503624.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/PRS-SE-Singlec...828-i1395985.gc


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post Mar 1 2010, 09:15 PM
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post Mar 1 2010, 09:25 PM
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If you like les pauls try out vintage v100 they cost around 200 - 300 euros and are really good ..


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post Mar 1 2010, 10:33 PM
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I wouldn't buy a guitar with a Floyd Rose either ... As a firts high quality guitar you will probably be messing too much with the tuning and stuff.... Floyd Rose can be such a pain in the @$$ .....


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post Mar 1 2010, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE (VictorUK @ Mar 1 2010, 10:39 PM) *
Whats with all the floyd rose hate, there so easy to setup once you learn how. if you want better sustain from a floyd rose there are so many options! such as adding a brass block and adding a tremel-no which can adjust!

i bet i can make a floyd rose guitar with as much if not more sustain than a fixed bridge.


I'm with You in this one Victor, I had several guitars in the old days with Floyd's and I never had any tuning problems. (ofc. it was real Floyd's) They even stayed in tune from one gig to another... And bout the sustain, I dont realize why a fixed bridge should give more sustain? It is as well attached with two screws to the body - eg. the vibration of the strings goes through these - and so is the Floyd....
However, I dont use Floyd's nowadays, because I dont really need to do any divebombs, and they are far too expensive in combination that You have to route the body as well....

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post Mar 1 2010, 11:51 PM
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I have guitar with Floyd Rose style tremolo. It took me a little effort to learn how to set up and tune properly. It was well worth the effort because now I would never use anything else. I love the Floyd tremolo because my guitar stays in tune and it's easy to tune but I hardly have to touch it. There are lots of videos on youtube that show you how to use Floyd. It takes some practice but once you get it you will never regret it. Some Ibanez guitars in his price range actually come with very good locking trem system like Floyd but its called Edge.

I recommend you look at the Ibanez RG or Ibanez S series guitars because they are great for rock and have decent trem systems that come stock.

If you are looking for a really nice guitar that is not Floyd and is also great for rock.....then check out the Sterling JP50. It has a tremolo but not locking like a floyd. It has humbucker pickups meaning great for rock. It also has locking tuners which should help it stay in tune. I think it is unusual to have a guitar in this price range to come with locking tuners. Here's a link....


http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product...itar?sku=580993

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aPYPS0FVas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-Tz61GmjJI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0EdD8izSKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNBmfZwslnA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5RwoJPMXKU...feature=related

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post Mar 2 2010, 12:45 AM
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sounds like your not totally sure floyd roses and les pauls are poles apart...

I would def go for a les paul, you won't get the same sustain and tone from a thin basswood superstrat as you would from a heavy mahogany glued neck les paul.

you could get an eppy les paul some of them are really nice, if the headstock really bothers you then get luither to make it into a gibson!!!

you could always pimp your strat, change the pick-ups, bridge and tuners. change the logo if it bothers you...

also look into getting a warmoth to ur exact specs... esp as eurp is so strong compared to dollar...
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post Mar 2 2010, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE (Staffy @ Mar 1 2010, 04:51 PM) *
I'm with You in this one Victor, I had several guitars in the old days with Floyd's and I never had any tuning problems. (ofc. it was real Floyd's) They even stayed in tune from one gig to another... And bout the sustain, I dont realize why a fixed bridge should give more sustain? It is as well attached with two screws to the body - eg. the vibration of the strings goes through these - and so is the Floyd....
However, I dont use Floyd's nowadays, because I dont really need to do any divebombs, and they are far too expensive in combination that You have to route the body as well....

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I had a licensed Floyd Rose and it was bad... an original would definitely be better. But in which price range can you get the real thing ???


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post Mar 2 2010, 05:47 PM
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Fender Deluxe Player strat? Or Lone Star wink.gif I have the same budget, and I tend to go for a PRS SE custom, they now have a 25th anniversary edition, which gives you great quality for your money!


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post Mar 2 2010, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 2 2010, 05:47 PM) *
Fender Deluxe Player strat? Or Lone Star wink.gif I have the same budget, and I tend to go for a PRS SE custom, they now have a 25th anniversary edition, which gives you great quality for your money!


This made me look up the new guitars for PRS this year and I came across the Mikael Akerfeldt PRS SE, very interesting guitar imo, looks amazing too. Something I'd be interested in.

On second thought, the band logo kinda spoils it... dry.gif

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post Mar 3 2010, 02:15 AM
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I recommend PRS SE guitar for your budget. Not sure if they make them with tremolo tho..


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You can get both the customs and the singlecuts as a hardtail or with a trem, whichever you prefer.


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I like the PRS but not SE... How much is the normal PRS?


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post Mar 6 2010, 08:51 PM
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Well a REAL PRS is handmade and should cost arround 3000$


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mmm, maybe is better not to buy it smile.gif


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post Mar 6 2010, 08:58 PM
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The PRS SE series are good guitars for the money you pay for them. For 600 Euros you could look out for a used Gibson Les Paul Studio!


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i have been playing schecter's c1 plus guitar....the one i got was just amazing and the neck and frets were out of this world, and the stock pick ups sound great!


i went to guitar center and tried out the same model, and it played like poop...so id suggest to try the schecter, but make sure to actually try it!


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