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post Mar 17 2010, 10:47 PM
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A freind of my father was playing in a small orchestra when he was younger and they kind of want to put that orchestra back to gether with ma father's friend leading it... He asked me if I knew a computer program that let's him arrange the music for each instrument with notes and that plays the notes he entered for him (he want's to arrange songs and needs to know how the things sound together)

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post Mar 17 2010, 10:50 PM
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I think your best bet here is Sibelius Zakk.


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post Mar 17 2010, 10:54 PM
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Can it do several instrument lines at the same time (and emulate theirsound) so that he can check for example if the part of the violins matches to the clarinetts and stuff?


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post Mar 17 2010, 11:01 PM
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99 per cent certain that it can - yes. Can't guarantee as i don't have it though.


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post Mar 17 2010, 11:08 PM
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Yeah it can I am just checking it out on their page, it can do a giant symphonic orchestra if your computer can take it!
Thanks Tonymiro, I will tell that guy about Sibelius (it's 650 Euros though)


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post Mar 17 2010, 11:10 PM
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Yeah, Sibelius is great, but I will also add Finale as an option. The battle is really between these two, and I think Finale has a better sound-engine atm. Also there is proggie called "Band-in-a-box" that is real simple to use with pre-made grooves etc. and its just to write Your own stuff on top of that. But its not actually a score-writing program.


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post Mar 17 2010, 11:13 PM
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Finale is a definite alternative. Other thing that may help is to try and get an earlier version of either Sibelius or Finale as they will be heavily discounted as old stock but will probably still all that your father needs.


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post Mar 18 2010, 04:44 AM
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Doesn't Guitar Pro 5 give you the score for each instrument?

Also, my DAW, Mixcraft 5, shows the score for all midi tracks. So I can program each instrument with my keyboard and view it as either piano roll or notation, and of course by assigning the different instruments one can see how it sounds together - on the downside, I'm limited to some fairly basic orchestral sounds but that could be fixed very simply with an expansion pack from someone. But maybe I'm misunderstanding the question.

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post Mar 18 2010, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE (OzRob @ Mar 18 2010, 04:44 AM) *
Doesn't Guitar Pro 5 give you the score for each instrument?

Also, my DAW, Mixcraft 5, shows the score for all midi tracks. So I can program each instrument with my keyboard and view it as either piano roll or notation, and of course by assigning the different instruments one can see how it sounds together - on the downside, I'm limited to some fairly basic orchestral sounds but that could be fixed very simply with an expansion pack from someone. But maybe I'm misunderstanding the question.


That would work ofc. but neither GP5 or any DAW is made for composing/arranging stuff the way Sibelius/Finale are. These are pure composing/notation programs and You can view the whole score at the same time, they have some very advanced functions for printing, transposing, key-signatures, lay-out and such things that could'nt be found in any DAW.

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post Mar 18 2010, 09:13 AM
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My Parents work since years a lot with Finale and seem to be quite happy with it. Mainly they do notation work of hand written compositions or arranging work to adapt compositions to different instruments. As far as i know Finale comes with the Garritan Personal Orchestra Library and the sounds are really good ...at least good and real enough for arranging.

The next step is maybe not need for your friend and quite pricy as well, but i find this quite interesting. When the arrangement is done they import everything in Cubase and switch to the Vienna Sound Library to adjust dynamics, tempo variations (human feel) and to adjust the sound samples to specific playing technics for each instrument. If i remember right, they even use some specific reverb VST's to simulate well known concert halls and to place the different orchestra sections on the "stage".

I always thought it is an art on it's own and every time again i'm blown away how real and dynamic the orchestration sounds at the end.

A Staffy said, Cubase or other DAWs offer the option of music notations, but it's not optimized for orchestration work in notation form, to isolate/combine specific instrument sections, etc .. an orchestra arrangement can involve a lot of instruments.



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post Mar 18 2010, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE (wrk @ Mar 18 2010, 09:13 AM) *
My Parents work since years a lot with Finale and seem to be quite happy with it. Mainly they do notation work of hand written compositions or arranging work to adapt compositions to different instruments. As far as i know Finale comes with the Garritan Personal Orchestra Library and the sounds are really good ...at least good and real enough for arranging.

The next step is maybe not need for your friend and quite pricy as well, but i find this quite interesting. When the arrangement is done they import everything in Cubase and switch to the Vienna Sound Library to adjust dynamics, tempo variations (human feel) and to adjust the sound samples to specific playing technics for each instrument. If i remember right, they even use some specific reverb VST's to simulate well known concert halls and to place the different orchestra sections on the "stage".

I always thought it is an art on it's own and every time again i'm blown away how real and dynamic the orchestration sounds at the end.

A Staffy said, Cubase or other DAWs offer the option of music notations, but it's not optimized for orchestration work in notation form, to isolate/combine specific instrument sections, etc .. an orchestra arrangement can involve a lot of instruments.


You actually wrote was I was too lazy to do before... tongue.gif Provided that one are good at writing scores, these are the ultimate tools - even that they both have a quite a steep learning curve. (I've worked with them both) But as You say here, the result when exporting it to a DAW (which is not necessay, You can use another sound-engine inside both proggies, but exporting the score to a DAW will get a greater control over each instrument) is simply stunning. The Vienna sound Library is very pricey, but sounds just marvellous. A friend of mine that is working with Big-band arranging/film-scores use this method all the time, and it simply blows me off everytime I hear the pieces he have wrote using this method.

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post Mar 18 2010, 10:43 AM
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AFAIK the earlier versions of Sebelius (v4 and 5) used samples from Vienna via the Kontakt engine and so Sibelius was then very good for orchestral playback. I think though that Sib. stopped using Vienna for V6...

We've used some of the Vienna stuff here for post-prod and it is extremely good. But expensive and the sample libraries are huge. When we got ours originally - quite a few years ago - we had to buy a new sata HD just to load and store the library.


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post Mar 23 2010, 12:23 PM
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You guys are going to make me install Finale and get back into orchestration wink.gif


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Definitely best choice would be Sibelius or Finale! (if he can afford those software)...


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post Mar 25 2010, 01:49 AM
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Nuendo has a good score editor, and so does Cubase. Perhaps your friend can check out those if he has them.


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Finale is awesome for score-editing, in my opinion it's tenfold better than the one in Cubase/Nuendo (but luckily it's a feature i never use) smile.gif

Never tried Sibelius though..


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If what you are looking for is great orchestra sounds, this is great



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post Apr 2 2010, 09:21 AM
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Just bumping this...

I've discovered I need something like this for arranging vocals, parts etc, so I've had a look around and keep coming back to the Finale family. Now the top of the line edition covers everything and would be perfect for major orchestra work, but maybe one of their mid-range products like "Finale Printmusic" would suit your contact, and it's very reasonably priced. "Printmusic" wouldn't have quite as much control but a bit of initiative would allow one to work around some of the limitations compared to the top edition.

Compare their stable: http://www.finalemusic.com/CompareFeatures...pare=printmusic





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Great software at a very reasonable price? ENCORE.

Check it out: http://www.gvox.com/encore.php


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