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Marcus Siepen
post Mar 20 2010, 01:32 PM
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... when you are using an alternate tuning on your guitar?
I guess we all know how to play an e for example, don't we? wink.gif So as long as our guitars are tuned normally what we hold down on the fretboard is the same as what we hear, an e. In Blind Guardian we don't use the standard tuning though, our guitars are tuned down half a note, so when I hold down an e I actually don't hear that chord, what I hear is an e flat. Still we always call it e, I guess because we are too lazy to think about our tuning and "convert" the chord to what we really hear... now I just wonder how you guys deal with this, do you also always call an e an e, independent of your tuning?


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post Mar 20 2010, 01:46 PM
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We play in d standard or drop c and when we discuss riff ideas it's always:

Me: Riff goes like this (plays) just straight a minor pentatonic... you know, a minor if we were in standard tuning!
2nd guitarist: Yeah, yeah whatever...


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post Mar 20 2010, 02:12 PM
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i always call it what it really is, but I'm normally playing with horn players or keyboard players so i have no choice...

i never de tune (or rarely anyway) so guess i'm not really in that situation, don't know what i'd do if I was in a random tuning like dadgad playing with other guitarists only, i prob be like 'yh like that funny D shape on fret 4, not but on string 2 with your 2nd finger back a fret... yh thats the one!!! lol...
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Lol No matter what tuning i play in I Just call the penatonic off the 5th fret a Minor, Even though its g minor or something else
Were just too lazy to think how to name it, and if thats not enough, we gotta think before playing if we have to


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post Mar 20 2010, 02:43 PM
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I have a Strat that's in Eb tuning, but only because it has seriously heavy strings on it (13-58), it's used mainly as a slide guitar so with that I tend to mainly in the correct key in which we're playing. I have acoustics that are tuned to open tunings, D and G mainly, with them I tend to think in terms of Root, 4th, 5th, minor 2nd Chord Shapes etc rather than the actual chord names!
Interesting topic Marcus!
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post Mar 21 2010, 12:33 PM
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Live we also have a Keyboarder playing with us, and whenever we go through songs and I tell him stuff like " In that part you have to play an E minor..." he always asks me if I am talking about a "real" E minor or "our" e minor smile.gif By now he got used to the fact that we ALWAYS talk about OUR chords, but I guess in the beginning it was pretty confusing for him.


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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Mar 21 2010, 11:33 AM) *
Live we also have a Keyboarder playing with us, and whenever we go through songs and I tell him stuff like " In that part you have to play an E minor..." he always asks me if I am talking about a "real" E minor or "our" e minor smile.gif By now he got used to the fact that we ALWAYS talk about OUR chords, but I guess in the beginning it was pretty confusing for him.

Mind you, with all this modern technology built into Keyboards/Controllers etc these days, surely it couldn't be that hard to 'detune' a keyboard by a half step so that YOUR Em could be played in standard fingering as an Em on a keyboard?!!! wink.gif

Another point to this discussion... Can you imagine having to work with someone like Thurston Moore and some of the wierd tunings he used and having to explain chord shapes based around them??? blink.gif
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post Mar 21 2010, 02:56 PM
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Thats exactly what our keyboarder does, his Keyboards are detuned to match our tuning wink.gif and no, I definitely don't want to mess around with weird open tunings and try to explain somebody what to play smile.gif In that case I would give that person a cd and tell him to learn the songs until our next rehearsal tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Mar 20 2010, 01:32 PM) *
... when you are using an alternate tuning on your guitar?
I guess we all know how to play an e for example, don't we? wink.gif So as long as our guitars are tuned normally what we hold down on the fretboard is the same as what we hear, an e. In Blind Guardian we don't use the standard tuning though, our guitars are tuned down half a note, so when I hold down an e I actually don't hear that chord, what I hear is an e flat. Still we always call it e, I guess because we are too lazy to think about our tuning and "convert" the chord to what we really hear... now I just wonder how you guys deal with this, do you also always call an e an e, independent of your tuning?


Hi Marcus. I think when a guitarist says E chord, for example, he is thinking not only in a specific tonality or chord, but sometimes in the position or positions that this chord generates in his own instrument- the guitar. In flamencoi music, if I say that Soleá is in E phrygian tonality, it means that will appear some positions or chord inversions that are characteristic of this style. Because when we play a Soleá with capo on the second fret we don´t think this soleá is in F sharp. Iin our mind we can define this tonality something like this: Soleá in E on the second fret. Of course, this can be a problem if you talk with a keyboard player or also another musicians... but, you know, guitarists are a different kind of animals in the world of music.
Thinking the music as a part of your instrument is bad? I don´t know, may be it is bad sometimes, but another we can develope a different vision of music. smile.gif


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post Mar 22 2010, 02:56 PM
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Your approach is pretty much the same as mine, I think of positions on the fretboard too, not of tonalities, and actually most other guitarists that I know think in a similar way, as you said, we are a different species among musicians wink.gif


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Well, usually changing note in the bass means you can still call chord with its original name. But, some bass notes for some chords substantially change the chord, it isn't same chord any more. Like, C major, with C in the bass(root), 3rd position. If you change bass from C to A, it's A min7 it's not C major any more. Or if it's C maj7, adding A instead of C leads you to A 9. However, I don't think that nomenclature is something very important. C major with A in the bass can still be called C/A, or simply C. It also matters what bass player plays over that, then it's kind of complicated.


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Surprised Pedja hasnt arrived in this thread yet and blown all our minds!

but yeah, I laugh when im playing with other guitar players and they say yeah its Dm, so i play a D minor and theyre like "Wtf are you playing man?" coz theyre down tuned a half step, I usually just sigh and get on with it rather than try and explain!
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post Mar 24 2010, 05:11 PM
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I change the tuning of my guitars from time to time, depending on what I want to play. Most of the time its tuned one half step down, too, because I really like playing with Blind Guardian CDs (especially the last LIVE CD) and many other bands have that tuning to. At the moment I my tuning is D and I am thinking about tune down to C to learn some In Flames stuff. But no matter what tuning, an E is an E and I never played or worked with a guitarist who calls it E flat because of tuning. But I know those confusions with keyboarder or other musicians smile.gif

Btw, your guitars were not always on E flat tuning, weren't them? Battalions of Fear was recorded with standard E tuning, I think. Because when I startet learning guitar I wanted to play Majesty and I thought "C# minor, what an uncommon key, it must be D minor and tuned down guitars", but later I realized that it really is C# minor. At that time I thought it was pretty cool smile.gif
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post Mar 24 2010, 07:36 PM
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True, on our debut the guitars were not tuned down, but ever since Follow the Blind we are in E flat. And well, in my humble opinion it doesn't really matter what you call a chord, as long es everybody knows what you mean everything is fine wink.gif


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My band is also tuned Eb. We still call it E smile.gif It's just easier for us to communicate that way. I guess it's because most of those chords are where the dots are painted on the neck.

The first time that system didn't work (it still workerd but read on...) was when Maestro Mistheria played a show with me. We were on the rehearsal in Croatia and he didn't retune his keyboard. If we are in Eb then he really plays Eb. He is such a great musician that if you tell him let's play a song but in the key where you don't have any "white key" on the keyboard, he would just say OK and do the job with no sigle second of thinking about transposing. We were still playing our E and he was playing Eb smile.gif Whole 2 hours show was done almost perfect.

I guess it's just a preference to call it that way. If the system works for you guys then why not using it.


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I always admire people that transpose stuff just like that, but well... I prefer the lazy way and still call it E smile.gif


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