Mtp Issues!, Let's have a discussion about it |
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Apr 17 2010, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE (maharzan @ Apr 16 2010, 09:45 PM)  If the old MTP works, I am up for teaching absolute beginners.  If that helps the overall GMC community, and a marketing pitch.+1 !!! I'd be up for this as well. -------------------- ::jafomatic
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Apr 17 2010, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE (maharzan @ Apr 17 2010, 04:45 AM) I would like to know why the old MTP was scrapped and changed? I wasn't here when the old MTP ran. I only joined after it was completed I think and I so wanted to join that program. It WAS THE MAIN ATTRACTION for me. I could learn lessons from any other site you know. There are tabs every where. But there was nothing as MTP at $90 for 3 months (back then). I paid yearly if you were wondering. If the old MTP works, I am up for teaching absolute beginners. If that helps the overall GMC community, and a marketing pitch.GMC should really be marketing some advanced players here and keep track of them. I have seen many good players who were once in GMC are no longer with us and I do not see them coming back. If nothing, it would be great to have some interviews or playing on a backing track and tell the new members / potential members about what GMC has achieved and be a motivation to them. Thanks, maharzan This I agree too fully. There are plenty of sites/vids/tutorials etc. that can teach You play for free. The MTP is one of the things that make this site unique. I would'nt mind either to have some students to mentor, since I've done a lot of teaching during the years. The only problem herein is however the same as with the current MTP - what happens if an instructor quits/don't have time for his/her students?? The marketing issue is very interesting, I think that GMC shall "brand" the good players on the site, as well as have some sort of "hall of fame", if You can see what I mean here. Those players maybe can have a lifetime membership or something like that. That wouln't be necessary on skill basis, it can be for important contributions to the site or things like that. Also a good thing would be that members that have succeedly completed 3 MTP's (for instance) can have their membership fee reduced. That will make a good motivation for completing the program, and will for sure generate some excellent vids to brand the site with. Another thing would be to have "users vid of the month" in some sort of competetion way, eg. if You win You can have some month for free. This is a very interesting discussion, and most of what You guy's say makes sense to me, I only miss some teachers point of view here to make it complete. //Staffay --------------------  Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Apr 17 2010, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE (Staffy @ Apr 17 2010, 04:45 PM) This is a very interesting discussion, and most of what You guy's say makes sense to me, I only miss some teachers point of view here to make it complete. //Staffay +1 . Yep. Beats the purpose of making MTP a success, if this becomes a one way discussion. Definitely need opinions/ thoughts of various instructors in here. This post has been edited by zen: Apr 17 2010, 09:05 AM -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Apr 18 2010, 02:05 AM
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Quick Question:
In the old mtp system, were the advance students who mentored beginners rewarded in any manner? I read suggestions around separate fee/package for only the MTP program.... that might have some downsides: anyone (be it a beginner) who pays for it would probably want to be mentored by an instructor, not by an advanced student. -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Apr 18 2010, 04:50 AM
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I'd agree with a lot of the concerns about rigidity but I think we're also quoting our personal opinions on the matter and that they all differ. What this says to me is that it should be left to the discretion of the instructor. We trust them to teach, so let's trust them to understand how much of a strict schedule a student will want / need / respond to.
I think we could find some other ways to promote and encourage users to participate in the REC program. Even a simple (and more public) ladder and scoreboard would make that program more tempting. The existing scoreboard is fine but it's not on the front page, y'know? There could also be a few categories. Greatest improvements, most passed submissions, highest current score, etc. A few top-10 lists even. One thing I learned from world of warcraft is that if you give young people a ladder, there will always be a fairly high percentage of guys just itching to see if they can climb it. Fix REC by fixing rec. Fix MTP by fixing MTP. This particular marriage of the two isn't healthy as it is described right now. -------------------- ::jafomatic
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Apr 18 2010, 05:00 AM
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QUOTE (jafomatic @ Apr 18 2010, 01:50 PM) I'd agree with a lot of the concerns about rigidity but I think we're also quoting our personal opinions on the matter and that they all differ. What this says to me is that it should be left to the discretion of the instructor. We trust them to teach, so let's trust them to understand how much of a strict schedule a student will want / need / respond to. Yea, this sounds great. Im not against the deadlines as much as everyone else is .. Sometimes, I do need deadlines etc as they give me a sense of direction and a goal to work for... so I don't waste my time noodling random things, not progressing much. Plus everyone has different schedules, students may have a different allocated guitar playing hours as compared to a working individual who can probably only shell out an hour in a day. Doesn't mean that person has to miss out on having a mentor. QUOTE (jafomatic @ Apr 18 2010, 01:50 PM) I think we could find some other ways to promote and encourage users to participate in the REC program. Even a simple (and more public) ladder and scoreboard would make that program more tempting. The existing scoreboard is fine but it's not on the front page, y'know? There could also be a few categories. Greatest improvements, most passed submissions, highest current score, etc. A few top-10 lists even. What an amazing idea !! "this month's top 10 students list" will be cool as it might not have the same people every month. This post has been edited by zen: Apr 18 2010, 05:03 AM -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Apr 18 2010, 05:21 AM
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RE: zen, I think the student MTP should be free, thats where the low fee for MTP with instructor might be justified. You are also contributing to GMC.
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Apr 18 2010, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE (jafomatic @ Apr 18 2010, 05:50 AM) I think we could find some other ways to promote and encourage users to participate in the REC program. Even a simple (and more public) ladder and scoreboard would make that program more tempting. The existing scoreboard is fine but it's not on the front page, y'know? There could also be a few categories. Greatest improvements, most passed submissions, highest current score, etc. A few top-10 lists even. I think this is a great idea too. But the REC-program is also too rigid imo. Whats the point in learning someone others solo note-by-note? For players that have been around for some time, this might be a self-explaining issue (since if You got some routine, You can analyze a solo properly and play it accurate, otherwise not), but I think most of us wants to just study some ideas and then have a go on the backing track and jam along. Why can't that be graded? We are improvisers - not machines. (drawing a parallell too the wiz-kid Youtube discussion here) The most important thing for a guitar-player is style, not technique, so I'm definitely up for making the REC-system more dynamic. Why dont people post their playing (with whatever background) and grade them according to the 10-degree scale??? Simple, isn't it? //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Apr 18 2010, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (NoSkill @ Apr 18 2010, 06:25 AM) All of the other details may be some things that would expand on the program as it evolves, but it will never evolve if there isn't consistent commitment from instructor and student alike. I think that a fee is the only way to get it from the students. For motivating instructors? I have no idea. Cheers! Right. +1 on this. Motivating the instructors should'nt be that hard though, since they already got paid for doin lessons. It's just to write in their "contracts" that they will have X numbers of students along with the lessons - otherwise there will be no payment. It will ofc. take some resources to supervise this, but however I think it will be fairly easy. The teachers that receives complains for not making any commitment to their students, are not teachers in my eye's anyway, and they can be left out on a site as this, where we strive for a good level of learning & teaching. Without naming any names its fairly easy to point out who's "real" teachers and who's not. We have a vast amount of lessons, but also a vast amout that doesn't encourage the student at all. The problem here is that most of the lessons are "constructed" solo's and makes no sense in reality at all. I could probably write a level 11 lesson myself (I will not be able to play it though...  ), and here is really where You can differ the teachers from each other. A major problem seems to be the fact that a lot of the lessons doesn't explain WHY it sounds good. Its just a couple of licks thrown in on a background with any further explanation. Something that would have been a lot more interesting is to hear the instructors really improvise over a background and then make a transcription. (like our competitor does with Mr.Govan fronting the site)Anyway, I still think the MTP is a good thing, and what makes this site unique. With some small adjustments according to this discussion it will be even better and a main attraction to the site! //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Apr 18 2010, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE (maharzan @ Apr 18 2010, 10:45 AM) TO add to that, Staffay, I think the Collaborations are a good way to go (as a start).. so Just post a video of you while playing the collaboration licks then post it in the REC.. which of course can be graded by instructors or even students if that helps. +1 Good idea! -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Apr 18 2010, 10:38 AM
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We obviously all care about this program and are VERY passionate about the site's success
Still not sure why none of the instructors have posted in this thread yet ..with their suggestions/ opinions..  
This post has been edited by zen: Apr 18 2010, 11:41 AM -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Apr 18 2010, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (zen @ Apr 18 2010, 11:38 AM) We obviously all care about this program and are VERY passionate about the site's success Still not sure why no instructor has posted in this thread yet with their suggestions/ opinions.. I think its because this is a CIA-issue - secret players never comments on their lessons....  //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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