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 Determining How Fast You Play?
 Jun 6 2010, 05:56 PM Post #21 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia Member No.: 3.341 Who cares, as long as it is good music If you are a fast player it will show in your slowest licks just how good you are. But speed is very good, it's always good to have fast runs and licks at your disposal. There is always a situation where you can pull it off and make it sound good. Of course, the overall playing quality will not depend on that particular lick, it will depend on the sum of all that's being played, how it's being played etc.. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Jun 6 2010, 06:00 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE- Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons- (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel- Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)
 Jun 6 2010, 06:39 PM Post #22 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 13.788 Joined: 11-March 10 From: England Member No.: 9.820 QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ May 19 2010, 04:06 AM) By "fast" I was trying to get a personal mathematical metric - I know fast is subjective - it's more of a curiosity about my own speed in terms of bpm. Perhaps you can help me with the math. Let's say I play the following scale up and down to a metrinome set at 120 bpm, with the 4th note landing on each beat, would that be considered playing a scale at 120 bpm? Is there a mathematical equation to apply to just put a number to? In that video of the guy doing 240 bpm of the butterfly thingy, how'd they come up with the 240 bpm is all I was asking.1-2-3-4-5-6-7-1-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-2groovy.Hi, I think you're question is perfectly valid and I think I understand what you're trying to ask.4 notes to 1 click of the metronome.. say it was at 120bpm.. then yes,I would say I was playing 16th notes at 120bpm. If I played that same lick to my limit and say it was somehere like 180bpm.. then I'd say that's how fast I could play, 180bpm.As you already know, playing 16th note triplets mean we end up with different metronome speeds and I don't know how to sub divide the metronome speeds correctly. For example, if I knew I could play 16th notes at 180bpm, I wouldn't know how to find the corresponding metronome setting to then play triplets (but picking at the same speed). Does anybody else know what I mean and how to work that out ?But, the way I've come to understand speed, through reading countless testemonies of different players and guitar mags etc.. is this is a good ballpark figure.16th notes: over 160bpm is getting good. 180bpm -200 is fast. The likes of John Petrucci, Zakk Wylde, Paul Gilbert all have their limit around 200, and just over. That's about as far as most 'normal' people's limit can get. But most of us would be happy with anything in the 185-195 area.16th note triplets: anything from 130 -150bpm. 140bpm - 150bpm is really killer, but it is possible.. as Muris has shown us :-)But that's the rough guidelines.. if you're doing 180-200bpm on 16th notes, that would translate at around 130-150bpm on triplets !I hope that makes some sense ??? Take careBen --------------------
 Jun 6 2010, 09:50 PM Post #23 Learning Roadie Group: Members Posts: 471 Joined: 21-October 09 Member No.: 7.720 Ben, if you want to turn 16th notes to triplets, you just multiply the speed by 2/3. And vice versa, if you want to know how much is the 16th note tempo for your 16th note triplets, you just multiply the tempo by 3/2.For example, we have 16th triplets at 120 bpm. We multiply it by 3/2 and get 16th notes at 180 bpm.And so on and on.Hope this helped. - Kristian
 Jun 6 2010, 10:15 PM Post #24 Learning Tone Master Group: MVC Posts: 2.294 Joined: 18-June 09 From: Genarp, Sweden Member No.: 7.291 I've already commented some in this thread, but I just want to add some thoughts here about speed. In my opinion (from a improvisers point of view) You have enough speed when You can play in a tempo freely, eg. without pre-defined licks or runs, You should just be able to play what the ear tells You to play without any complications.For instance, I could probably play some 16'th note triplets in 130 BPM - but then I have to practice the phrase and kind of plan it several bars in advance to be able to use. In 115 BPM, I can play the most I want to, and in 90 BPM I can play anything I want to.So the conclusion of this is really: Do You want to be a player fast as lightning with pre-defined chops or do You want to be a great improvisor?Of course there is no sharp line between these ultimates, most players use both approaches.Just my 2 cents.//Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-stringAmps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace
 Jun 7 2010, 01:02 AM Post #25 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 1.241 Joined: 4-May 10 From: Bay Area, California Member No.: 10.312 FINALLY - an answer! Thank you!!!!!!You get the prize!+10award!phew... I was beginning to think that math and the laws of physics no longer apply to music! CAN WE GET A STICKY ON THIS ANSWER!? lol. QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Jun 6 2010, 10:39 AM) Hi, I think you're question is perfectly valid and I think I understand what you're trying to ask.4 notes to 1 click of the metronome.. say it was at 120bpm.. then yes,I would say I was playing 16th notes at 120bpm. If I played that same lick to my limit and say it was somehere like 180bpm.. then I'd say that's how fast I could play, 180bpm.As you already know, playing 16th note triplets mean we end up with different metronome speeds and I don't know how to sub divide the metronome speeds correctly. For example, if I knew I could play 16th notes at 180bpm, I wouldn't know how to find the corresponding metronome setting to then play triplets (but picking at the same speed). Does anybody else know what I mean and how to work that out ?But, the way I've come to understand speed, through reading countless testemonies of different players and guitar mags etc.. is this is a good ballpark figure.16th notes: over 160bpm is getting good. 180bpm -200 is fast. The likes of John Petrucci, Zakk Wylde, Paul Gilbert all have their limit around 200, and just over. That's about as far as most 'normal' people's limit can get. But most of us would be happy with anything in the 185-195 area.16th note triplets: anything from 130 -150bpm. 140bpm - 150bpm is really killer, but it is possible.. as Muris has shown us :-)But that's the rough guidelines.. if you're doing 180-200bpm on 16th notes, that would translate at around 130-150bpm on triplets !I hope that makes some sense ??? Take careBen This post has been edited by SirJamsalot: Jun 7 2010, 01:04 AM -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!My Band Forum: http://passionfly.site/chat
 Jun 7 2010, 08:21 AM Post #26 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 1.241 Joined: 4-May 10 From: Bay Area, California Member No.: 10.312 QUOTE (Kristian Hyvarinen @ Jun 6 2010, 01:50 PM) Ben, if you want to turn 16th notes to triplets, you just multiply the speed by 2/3. And vice versa, if you want to know how much is the 16th note tempo for your 16th note triplets, you just multiply the tempo by 3/2.For example, we have 16th triplets at 120 bpm. We multiply it by 3/2 and get 16th notes at 180 bpm.And so on and on.Hope this helped. - KristianThanks Kristian! I am going to learn this stuff one day!Christian A. -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!My Band Forum: http://passionfly.site/chat
 Jun 7 2010, 09:13 AM Post #27 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 13.788 Joined: 11-March 10 From: England Member No.: 9.820 QUOTE (Kristian Hyvarinen @ Jun 6 2010, 09:50 PM) Ben, if you want to turn 16th notes to triplets, you just multiply the speed by 2/3. And vice versa, if you want to know how much is the 16th note tempo for your 16th note triplets, you just multiply the tempo by 3/2.For example, we have 16th triplets at 120 bpm. We multiply it by 3/2 and get 16th notes at 180 bpm.And so on and on.Hope this helped. - KristianKristian, thank you so much for telling me this... I've always wondered how to work it out ! Best regards,Ben --------------------