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post Apr 11 2007, 05:08 PM
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Its sound so cool I watched Pavel's lesson and I didn't get it. Is the whole thing Palm Muted? Do you just must all the other strings but the one you use? I am not very sure could someone clarify this please? It would be greatly apperciated.
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post Apr 27 2007, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE (Bitey @ Apr 11 2007, 05:08 PM) *
Is the whole thing Palm Muted? Do you just must all the other strings but the one you use?


No you only mute the strings you arent using (or once you go onto the next note).

QUOTE (Bitey @ Apr 11 2007, 05:08 PM) *
Do you just must all the other strings but the one you use?


You've got the idea here - it's just so the other strings don't ring out and it sounds liquid.

I hope I've helped a little.


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post Apr 27 2007, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (Bitey @ Apr 11 2007, 05:08 PM) *
Its sound so cool I watched Pavel's lesson and I didn't get it. Is the whole thing Palm Muted? Do you just must all the other strings but the one you use? I am not very sure could someone clarify this please? It would be greatly apperciated.



Pavel described this in a comment in "sweeping basics" lesson. I paste that comment below:

Pavel said:

Ok so let's get started (wow - that will be a long one):

First of all - the right hand! It is always on the bridge right where the strings are "connected". You never lift it from the strings/bridge. You only move it up and down. When you get onto the 1st string - i don't mute it at all. So i mute 5th, 4th, 3rd and 2nd strings with the right hand.

Downstroke:

So we pick the 5th string, - the right hand is "attached" to the bridge right above the 5th string. Now we lift the finger and fret the 4th string - the right hand moves slightly down to mute the 5th string and picks the 4th string. Next - we lift the finger from the 4th string and fret the 3rd string - move the right hand down the bridge to mute the 4th strings and pick the 3rd string (the movement and picking is done together). Lift the finger from 3rd string - fret 2nd string, move the right hand to mute the 3rd string and pick 2nd string. Lift finger from 2nd string, fret 1st string and move the right hand down the bridge to slightly mute the 2nd string and pick the 1st string.

Now comes the upstroke:

Pick the 1st string, do a pull-off (depending on the sweep shape), as soon as you fret the 2nd string the fretting finger slightly touches the 1st string so it becomes muted (check the Basics Of Legato lesson if not sure what it means). SO WE DON'T mute with the right hand on the upstroke but with the FRETTING FINGERS! Now we lift the finger from the 2nd string - at the same time we fret the 3rd string and mute the 2nd string with the fretting finger of the 3rd string. Right hand moves up the bridge as you pick. Lift the 3rd string finger, fret the 4th string and slightly touch the 3rd string with the fretting finger of the 4th string. Move the right hand up the bridge and pick. Fret the 5th string, lift the finger from the 4th string (this is done at the same time), slightly touch the 4th string with the fretting finger of the 5th string. Move the right hand up the bridge and pick.


I think now i described the process of sweep completely. If you still have any questions - feel free to ask! But i think this is the most complete "tutorial".

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post Apr 28 2007, 12:18 AM
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I will contribute a sweep sequence here. The 1st sweep (six strings) is the one that I find it easiest to get the high quality sweep sound on. I find myself naturally moving the right palm mute down the strings as I play this. You can play the first three notes, until get the perfect sound. Then do the same with the last three notes. Then try to keep the great sound hitting all six notes. Then the goal should be to get that great sweep sound on other three sweeps.

This is what I play as the first sweep in Canon Rock BTW. At this time I am trying to keep the rolls limited to two notes, based on what Pavel said, that seems to make sense. You can see the last 3 sweeps require rolls.


|-12-----------------15p-12-------------21p 17------------15p 12--------------|
|----12----------------------14------------------17-----------------14-----------|
|-------11----------------------14------------------18-----------------14--------|
|-----------9----------------------14------------------19-----------------14---- -|
|-------------10---------------------12------------------19------------------12---|
|-----------------9---------------------------------------------------------------- -|

|-3---------------------4---1---------------4---1------------4---1-----------|
|-----4-------------------------3------------------1----------------3---------|
|--------2-------------------------2-------------------2---------------2------|
|-----------1-------------------------2-------------------3---------------2---|
|--------------3------------------------1--------------------3---------------1-|
|-----------------2--------------------------------------------------------------|

I have heard some people saying "I learned sweeps quickly". But if you hear them, the sweeps are just fast arpeggios, not sweeps in the shredding sense. It takes time for mortal humans to learn this. You have to hit the note cleanly, and kill it cleanly at the point you hit the subsequent note, and flow this smoothly. The muting requires both your left finger action, and your right palm, working together, as Pavel described.

I am not an expert, however in what success I have had producing a high quality sweep sound, I find myself doing exactly what Pavel said you have to do. Also, I don't think you want much reverb or delay when doing this, that goes against what you are trying to do here.

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post Apr 28 2007, 03:29 AM
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post Apr 28 2007, 04:35 AM
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oh, another thing I found that helps. and will slow you down until you get it right. Take the 3 string sweeps. You can do those fast just about immediately if you bar two strings. But you will never have a good sounding sweep if you do that. You have roll your finger, only holding down one string at a time. And as Pavel said, you have to start slowly, and speed up over time to get it. At first I thought "oh, you can just bar the two and go fast, why not". Wrong.
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post Apr 28 2007, 01:26 PM
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Too put it more basic. Roll your palm down over the string you've just played. Strike the next then roll over that, and so on.


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post May 1 2007, 01:06 AM
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fkalich: Great of you to quote the teachers exactly where needed - very useful. smile.gif


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post May 4 2007, 04:42 PM
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Okay I think I am getting it. So you press the fret strum then palm mute go to the next one and after the note is muted let go of it and keep doing it in tha torder.

I don't have a guitar right now but I am going to try it now when I get home. biggrin.gif
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