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post Jun 3 2010, 08:34 PM
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Hello Chandra,

We are starting with our MTP work. For your 1st assignment I have decided to give you some theory and harmony reading with questions you need to respond to. If you do these questions before deadline I will ask you more questions until deadline is completed!
Here is your 1st assignment!

1st assignment :
Theory and harmony reading with extra questions!


- I would like you to read my posts from links provided below.
- Once you read it all, memorize 3 and 4 part harmony in C major scale.
- Learn to apply scale degrees rather then numbers ( I in C major is C, IV in C is F etc).
- Write out in this thread all notes for 3 and 4 part harmony in C major as well as in F and G major scales.

Here are the links:

Major scale harmony and chord functions

Cadences


Deadline for your 1st assignment is 9th of June!

Let me know if you got any extra questions.

Pedja

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post Jun 4 2010, 01:47 AM
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Hi Pedja,

3 part harmony...

Basically, it consists of 3 notes to form a chord and the notes used are 1, 3, 5 from the scale.

Scale Degrees I, IV, V - Major chords
Scale Degrees II, III, VI - Minor chords
Scale Degree VII - Diminished chord

C Major
=====

No sharps or flats to it would be

I - Cmaj (C E G)
II - Dmin (D F A)
III - Emin (E G B )
IV - Fmaj (F A C)
V - Gmaj (G B D)
VI - Amin (A C E)
VII - Bdim (B D F)
VIII - Cmaj (C E G)

F Major
=====

1 flat

I - Fmaj (F A C)
II - Gmin (G Bb D )
III - Amin (A C E)
IV - Bbmaj (Bb D F)
V - Cmaj (C E G)
VI - Dmin (D F A)
VII - Edim (E G Bb)
VIII - Fmaj (F A C)

G Major
=====

1 sharp

I - Gmaj (G B D )
II - Amin (A C E)
III - Bmin (B D F#)
IV - Cmaj (C E G)
V - Dmaj (D F# A)
VI - Emin (E G B )
VII - F#dim (F# A C)
VIII - Gmaj (G B D)


4 part harmony...

Basically, it consists of 4 notes to form a chord and the notes used are 1, 3, 5, 7 from the scale.

Scale Degrees I, IV - Major 7th chords
Scale Degrees II, III, VI - Minor 7th chords
Scale Degree V - Dominant 7th chord
Scale Degree VII - Minor 7b5

C Major
=====

No sharps or flats to it would be

I - Cmaj7 (C E G B )
II - Dmin7 (D F A C)
III - Emin7 (E G B D )
IV - Fmaj7 (F A C E)
V - G7 (G B D F)
VI - Amin7 (A C E G)
VII - Bmin7b5 (B D F A)
VIII - Cmaj7 (C E G B )


F Major
=====

1 flat

I - Fmaj7 (F A C E )
II - Gmin7 (G Bb D F)
III - Amin7 (A C E G)
IV - Bbmaj7 (Bb D F A)
V - C7 (C E G Bb )
VI - Dmin7 (D F A C)
VII - Emin7b5 (E G Bb D)
VIII - Fmaj7 (F A C E)

G Major
=====

1 sharp

I - Gmaj7 (G B D F#)
II - Amin7 (A C E G)
III - Bmin7 (B D F# A)
IV - Cmaj7 (C E G B )
V - D7 (D F# A C)
VI - Emin7 (E G B D )
VII - F#min7b5 (F# A C E)
VIII - Gmaj7 (G B D F#)

Hope I got it right. smile.gif

Thanks,
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Ok, I will also write up something about Diatonic substitution as its in the link you provided.

Diatonic substitution simply means you can substitute any chords with other chords within the same scale and there are 3 ways you can do it

1. TONIC
2. SUBDOMINANT
3. DOMINANT

TONIC type functioning chord is the strongest sounding chord within the key. It has all or most of the notes on the chord (1, 3, 5). If we take C Major scale, C Major chord is the strongest tonic chord as it has all ( 1, 3, 5 or C E G) notes in it. If we look at other chords on this scale, most notes of this C Major Chord lies in III and VI chords.

III is E min (E G B ). It has 3 and 5 notes but not the 1 note which is the strongest note.
VI is A min (A C E). Again we have 2 notes, 1 & 3 but not 5 note. Since this has 1st note C, this is stronger tonic substitution than E min.

SUDOMINANT type functioning chords have 4, 6 notes. Simply putting, we see 4 and 6 notes in the II and IV degree namely, Dmin (D A F) and F maj (F A C). F maj is stronger since it has C in it as well.

DOMINANT type functioning chords have 4, 7 notes. These chords are very unstable and quickly want to resolve to Tonic chords so they sound pleasant to the ears. If we analyze, we have V and VII chords G Maj and B dim.

So, as a conclusion, we can replace each scale degree by another within these 3 functioning type chords. So if we have I, we can substitute it with III and VI, if we have II, we can substitute it by IV and if we have V we can substitute it by VII and vice versa.

Thanks,
Chandra

Next is Modes..

Names / order

Ionian
Dorian
Phrygian
Lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian
Locrian

So, if we are sticking to C Major, if we take each note as a root depending upon position, we can give it a name as below

Root Name
=== ====
C Ionian (Major mode)
D Dorian (Minor mode)
E Phrygian (Minor mode)
F Lydian (Major Mode)
G Mixolydian (Major mode)
A Aeolian (Minor mode)
B Locrian (I will study this in detail when I perfect all other modes biggrin.gif )

Hope I didn't miss much here.

I need to learn how to analyze the chord progression and which key / mode it is in. I know how to write the degrees in roman now and I know the chord notations as you have in your cadence post.

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Hey Chandra,

I checked your work and you did over 90% correct things here. I am very happy to see you working hard from day one. Lets look at the couple of things here that should be corrected.

- When you are doing 4 part harmony, chord on the 7th scale degree is Minor 7th flat five. We write that chord like this Min7b5. So whatever your VII scale degree letter name is in 4 part harmony in any major scale, it should have Min7b5 next to it. Check your work and see what you did with it.
- When you are doing 4 part harmony, chord on the 5th scale degree is Dominant 7th. We can write that chord in many ways, for example in C major 5th scale degree is G so we could use G dominant 7 (too long), G dom7 (ok but not necessary) and G7 (perfect!!!). So from now on, for any 4 part harmony in major scale on scale degree V write 7 next to it. The reason why we don't need to write out dominant or dom before it is because we use maj7 for major7th and min7 for minor7th chords, when we put just 7 next to the chord it automatically stands for dominant 7th chord.
Hope all this was correct, you can go back and edit the post now with those mistakes.
Now, since we have plenty of time before your 2nd assignment let me give you more keys to write out !

Try to do the same thing you did for C G and F keys but this time do it for Bb and D ! If you do that before deadline, I will give you 2 more keys smile.gif


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post Jun 4 2010, 06:21 PM
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3 part harmony...

Bb Major
=====

2 flat notes - Bb, Eb

I - Bbmaj (Bb D F)
II - Cmin (C Eb G)
III - Dmin (D F A )
IV - Ebmaj (Eb G Bb)
V - Fmaj (F A C)
VI - Gmin (G Bb D)
VII - Adim (A C Eb)
VIII - Bbmaj (Bb D F)

D Major
=====

2 sharps (F#, C#)

I - Dmaj (D F# A)
II - Emin (E G B )
III - F#min (F# A C#)
IV - Gmaj (G B D )
V - Amaj (A C# E)
VI - Bmin (B D F#)
VII - C#dim (C# E G)
VIII - Dmaj (D F# A)



4 part harmony...

Bb Major
=====

I - Bbmaj7 (Bb D F A)
II - Cmin7 (C Eb G Bb)
III - Dmin7 (D F A C )
IV - Ebmaj7 (Eb G Bb D)
V - F7 (F A C Eb)
VI - Gmin7 (G Bb D F)
VII - Amin7b5 (A C Eb G)
VIII - Bbmaj7 (Bb D F A)


D Major
=====

I - Dmaj7 (D F# A C#)
II - Emin7 (E G B D)
III - F#min7 (F# A C# E)
IV - Gmaj7 (G B D F#)
V - A7 (A C# E G)
VI - Bmin7 (B D F# A)
VII - C#min7b5 (C# E G B )
VIII - Dmaj7 (D F# A C#)

PS I have edited my first post as well.

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post Jun 4 2010, 07:19 PM
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Hey Chandra,

Please correct VII scale degree. It should be Min7b5 instead of Dim7b5 (doesn't exist smile.gif


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post Jun 5 2010, 03:16 AM
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Oops.. I didn't notice that.. biggrin.gif

Thanks Pedja.

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post Jun 5 2010, 12:33 PM
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Great Chandra, now do A and Eb major!


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3 part harmony...

Eb Major
=====

3 flat notes - Eb, Ab, Bb

I - Ebmaj (Eb G Bb)
II - Fmin (F Ab C)
III - Gmin (G Bb D )
IV - Abmaj (Ab C Eb)
V - Bbmaj (Bb D F)
VI - Cmin (C Eb G)
VII - Ddim (D F Ab)
VIII - Ebmaj (Eb G Bb)


A Major
=====

3 sharps (C#, F#, G#)

I - Amaj (A C# E)
II - Bmin (B D F# )
III - C#min (C# E G#)
IV - Dmaj (D F# A )
V - Emaj (E G# B )
VI - F#min (F# A C#)
VII - G#dim (G# B D)
VIII - Amaj (A C# E)



4 part harmony...

Eb Major
=====

I - Ebmaj7 (Eb G Bb D)
II - Fmin7 (F Ab C Eb)
III - Gmin7 (G Bb D F)
IV - Abmaj7 (Ab C Eb G)
V - Bb7 (Bb D F Ab)
VI - Cmin7 (C Eb G Bb)
VII - Dmin7b5 (D F Ab C)
VIII - Ebmaj7 (Eb G Bb D)


A Major
=====

I - Amaj7 (A C# E G#)
II - Bmin7 (B D F# A)
III - C#min7 (C# E G# B )
IV - Dmaj7 (D F# A C#)
V - E7 (E G# B D)
VI - F#min7 (F# A C# E)
VII - G#min7b5 (G# B D F)
VIII - Amaj7 (A C# E G#)


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post Jun 5 2010, 03:57 PM
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Awesome!
Go for E and Ab major now.
When we finish both cycles I will go more into detail what to do with this smile.gif


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3 part harmony...

Ab Major
=====

4 flat notes - Ab, Bb, Db, Eb

I - Abmaj (Ab C Eb)
II - Bbmin (Bb Db F)
III - Cmin (C Eb G )
IV - Dbmaj (Db F Ab)
V - Ebmaj (Eb G Bb)
VI - Fmin (F Ab C)
VII - Gdim (G Bb Db)
VIII - Abmaj (Ab C Eb)


E Major
=====

4 sharps (F#, G#, C#, D#)

I - Emaj (E G# B )
II - F#min (F# A C# )
III - G#min (G# B D#)
IV - Amaj (A C# E )
V - Bmaj (B D# F# )
VI - C#min (C# E G#)
VII - D#dim (D# F# A)
VIII - Emaj (E G# B )



4 part harmony...

Ab Major
=====

4 flat notes - Ab, Bb, Db, Eb

I - Abmaj7 (Ab C Eb G)
II - Bbmin7 (Bb Db F Ab)
III - Cmin7 (C Eb G Bb)
IV - Dbmaj7 (Db F Ab C)
V - Eb7 (Eb G Bb Db)
VI - Fmin7 (F Ab C Eb)
VII - Gmin7b5 (G Bb Db F)
VIII - Abmaj7 (Ab C Eb G)


E Major
=====

4 sharps (F#, G#, C#, D#)

I - Emaj7 (E G# B D# )
II - F#min7 (F# A C# E )
III - G#min7 (G# B D# F#)
IV - Amaj7 (A C# E G#)
V - B7 (B D# F# A)
VI - C#min7 (C# E G# B )
VII - D#min7b5 (D# F# A C#)
VIII - Emaj7 (E G# B D#)

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Ok , 2 more keys, B and Db major smile.gif


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post Jun 6 2010, 04:41 AM
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3 part harmony...

Db Major
=====

5 flat notes - Db, Eb, Gb, Ab, Bb

I - Dbmaj (Db F Ab)
II - Ebmin (Eb Gb Bb)
III - Fmin (F Ab C )
IV - Gbmaj (Gb Bb Db)
V - Abmaj (Ab C Eb)
VI - Bbmin (Bb Bb F)
VII - Cdim (C Eb Gb)
VIII - Dbmaj (Db F Ab)


B Major
=====

5 sharps (C#, D#, F#, G#, A#)

I - Bmaj (B D# F# )
II - C#min (C# E G# )
III - D#min (D# F# A#)
IV - Emaj (E G# B )
V - F#maj (F# A# C# )
VI - G#min (G# B D#)
VII - A#dim (A# C# E)
VIII - Bmaj (B D# F# )



4 part harmony...

Db Major
=====

5 flat notes - Db, Eb, Gb, Ab, Bb

I - Dbmaj7 (Db F Ab C)
II - Ebmin7 (Eb Gb Bb Db)
III - Fmin7 (F Ab C Eb)
IV - Gbmaj7 (Gb Bb Db F)
V - Ab7 (Ab C Eb Gb)
VI - Bbmin7 (Bb Bb F Ab)
VII - Cmin7b5 (C Eb Gb Bb)
VIII - Dbmaj7 (Db F Ab C)


B Major
=====

5 sharps (C#, D#, F#, G#, A#)

I - Bmaj7 (B D# F# A# )
II - C#min7 (C# E G# B )
III - D#min7 (D# F# A# C#)
IV - Emaj7 (E G# B D#)
V - F#7 (F# A# C# E)
VI - G#min7 (G# B D# F# )
VII - A#dim7 (A# C# E G#)
VIII - Bmaj7 (B D# F# A#)



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Hi Pedja,

I am researching more and looking at charts provided by Ivan. and saw there are 3 more - Gb (6 flats), F# (6 sharps) and C# (7 sharps). Interestingly, why should we do this as Gb and F# actually are the same chords (scales) except for theory.. and then C# is already been covered by Db. Anyway, I am just publishing this so I can research something more later.

Next 2 chords...

Gb, F#

3 part harmony...

Gb Major
=====

6 flat notes - Gb, Ab, Bb, Cb, Db, Eb

Question - Why is Cb used here? I only found 5 flats first then after looking it should be 6, I found out B is called Cb.. only for theory as we are moving down from Db to Cb instead of calling it B?

I - Gbmaj (Gb Bb Db)
II - Abmin (Ab Cb Eb)
III - Bbmin (Bb Db F )
IV - Cbmaj (Cb Eb Gb)
V -Dbmaj (Db F Ab)
VI - Ebmin (Eb Gb Bb)
VII - Fdim (F Ab Cb)
VIII - Gbmaj (Gb Bb Db)


F# Major
=====

6 sharps (F#, G#, A#, C#, D#, E#)

(Question - Again, I guess we call E# instead of F)

I - F#maj (F# A# C# )
II - G#min (G# B D# )
III - A#min (A# C# E#)
IV - Bmaj (B D# F# )
V - C#maj (C# E# G# )
VI - D#min (D# F# A#)
VII - E#dim (E# G# B )
VIII - F#maj (F# A# C# )



4 part harmony...

Gb Major
=====

6 flat notes - Gb, Ab, Bb, Cb, Db, Eb

I - Gbmaj7 (Gb Bb Db F)
II - Abmin7 (Ab Cb Eb Gb)
III - Bbmin7 (Bb Db F Ab)
IV - Cbmaj7 (Cb Eb Gb Bb)
V -Db7 (Db F Ab Cb)
VI - Ebmin7 (Eb Gb Bb Db)
VII - Fmin7b5 (F Ab Cb Eb)
VIII - Gbmaj7 (Gb Bb Db F)


F# Major
=====

6 sharps (F#, G#, A#, C#, D#, E#)

I - F#maj7 (F# A# C# E#)
II - G#min7 (G# B D# F#)
III - A#min7 (A# C# E# G#)
IV - Bmaj7 (B D# F# A#)
V - C#7 (C# E# G# B )
VI - D#min7 (D# F# A# C#)
VII - E#min7b5 (E# G# B D# )
VIII - F#maj7 (F# A# C# E# )



Remaining chord

3 part harmony...

C# Major
=====

7 sharps ( C#, D#, E#, F#, G#, A#, B#)

I - C#maj (C# E# G# )
II - D#min (D# F# A# )
III - E#min (E# G# B#)
IV - F#maj (F# A# C# )
V - G#maj (G# B# D# )
VI - A#min (A# C# E#)
VII - B#dim (B# D# F#)
VIII - C#maj (C# E# G# )


4 part harmony...

I - C#maj7 (C# E# G# B#)
II - D#min7 (D# F# A# C#)
III - E#min7 (E# G# B# D#)
IV - F#maj7 (F# A# C# E#)
V - G#7 (G# B# D# F#)
VI - A#min7 (A# C# E# G#)
VII - B#min7b5 (B# D# F# A#)
VIII - C#maj7 (C# E# G# B#)


And then, here is the Triads Root Inversion (part I) video



I will also practice part 2 and 3 next.

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post Jun 6 2010, 08:07 AM
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Ok, I have learnt part 2 and 3 and I will record these tomorrow as I will be off for the rest of the day today.

I was looking at your triads in songs series and in your Video 1, I see that you have mentioned this

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A Aeolian cadences : Imin bVImin bIII bVII = A min F C G and Imin IVmin Vmin = A min D min E min


Shouldn't the 2nd degree in A Aeolian be just bVI ?

I still yet to understand how the keys are recognized so probably I would love to learn that next.

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Hi Pedja,

I hope I am not bombarding with all these stuff. smile.gif

I just tried the next 2 parts of open triads and here they are. Sorry about frame cut off (didn't realize until I was editing it).

First Inversion



Second Inversion




I will look into 4 part harmony now.

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Hmm.. Can you please send me the tab for the 4 part harmony part 1 series? Its showing me tab of part 2 which I practiced and wow.. this is exactly what I need to practice.. as they call it tongue twisters for fingers!!! Yea.. now I got some skills. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (maharzan @ Jun 6 2010, 09:07 AM) *
Ok, I have learnt part 2 and 3 and I will record these tomorrow as I will be off for the rest of the day today.

I was looking at your triads in songs series and in your Video 1, I see that you have mentioned this



Shouldn't the 2nd degree in A Aeolian be just bVI ?

I still yet to understand how the keys are recognized so probably I would love to learn that next.

Chandra, we analyze roman numerals based on type of intervals and everything is related to major scale. So if you have major 2nd we write II, if you have minor 3rd its bIII, etc.
We will work on this more in the future!



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Hmm.. Can you please send me the tab for the 4 part harmony part 1 series? Its showing me tab of part 2 which I practiced and wow.. this is exactly what I need to practice.. as they call it tongue twisters for fingers!!! Yea.. now I got some skills. biggrin.gif


I suggest you do OPEN TRIADS before you go to 4 part harmony. There is 4 lessons for Open triads wink.gif


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Hi Pedja,

But it says bVImin in that whereas the chord is F and not minor I guess. Anyway, yep, I will probably understand more as we go through this.

Did you mean the triads in songs context lesson? I am practicing 4 part (Part 2) just to train my fingers. smile.gif

Thanks,
Chandra


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QUOTE (maharzan @ Jun 7 2010, 11:03 AM) *
Hi Pedja,

But it says bVImin in that whereas the chord is F and not minor I guess. Anyway, yep, I will probably understand more as we go through this.

Did you mean the triads in songs context lesson? I am practicing 4 part (Part 2) just to train my fingers. smile.gif

Thanks,
Chandra


Hi Chandra,

If it says bVI min thats a typo it should just be bVI (unless there is F minor chord in there!).
I am referring to these type of lessons: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Open_T..._Series_Part_1/


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