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post Jun 3 2010, 09:05 PM
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Hello Denis,

We are starting with your MTP work for June in this thread. You should post all your future assignments here man. For your 1st assignment I have decided to work on some theory and harmony (reading + questions) which will later lead into recording and playing assignments. So no worries, we will put all this written stuff to good use!

1st assignment :
Theory and harmony reading with extra questions!


- I would like you to read my posts from links provided below.
- Once you read it all, memorize 3 and 4 part harmony in C major scale.
- Learn to apply scale degrees rather then numbers ( I in C major is C, IV in C is F etc).
- Write out in this thread all notes for 3 and 4 part harmony in C major as well as in F and G major scales.

Here are the links:

Major scale harmony and chord functions

Cadences


Deadline for your 1st assignment is 9th of June!

Let me know if you got any extra questions.

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post Jun 4 2010, 08:35 PM
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HEllo Pedja,

Here it goes:

C major:

I- C : CEG
II Dm : DFA
III Em: EGB
IV F: FAC
V G: GBD
VI Am: ACE
VII Bmb5: BDF

I- Cmaj7 : CEGB
II Dm7 : DFAC
III Em7 : EGBD
IV Fmaj7 :FACE
V G7 : GBDF
VI Am7: ACEG
VII Bm7b5: BDFA




G major:

I- G : GBD
II Am : ACE
III Bm: BDF#
IV C: CEG
V D: DF#A
VI Em: EGB
VII F#mb5: F#AC

I Gmaj7 : GBDF#
II Am7 : ACEG
III Bm7 : BDF#A
IV Cmaj7 : CEGB
V D7 : DF#AC
VI Em7: EGBD
VII F#m7b5: F#ACE



F major:

I- F : FAC
II Gm : GBbD
III Am: ACE
IV Bb: BbDF
V C: CEG
VI Dm: DFA
VII Emb5: EGBb

I- Fmaj7 : FACE
II Gm7 : GBbDF
III Am7 : ACEG
IV Bbmaj7 : BbDFA
V C7 : CEGBb
VI Dm7: DFAC
VII Em7b5: EGBbD

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post Jun 5 2010, 04:28 PM
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Hey Denis,

Good work man! Here are some pointers :
1) Scale degree VII with 3 part harmony is actually diminished triad. Instead of writing minb5 you should use dim symbol.
2) In general when labeling minor chords, aim to use min instead of just m as it is not complete smile.gif

Everything else was good man. Now you can do 4 other keys since we have time before 2nd assignment!

Do D A Bb and Eb major keys.



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post Jun 9 2010, 07:19 PM
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HEllo Pedja,

Here is the rest:

D major:

I- D : DF#A
II Emin : EGB
III F#min: F#AC#
IV G: GBD
V A: AC#E
VI B: BDF#
VII C#dim: C#EG

I- Dmaj7 : DF#AC#
II Emin7 : EGBD
III F#min7 : F#AC#E
IV Gmaj7 :GBDF#
V A7 : AC#E G
VI Bmin7: BDF#A
VII C#min7b5: C#EGB

A major:

I- A : AC#E
II Bmin : BDF#
III C#min: C#EG#
IV D: DF#A
V E: EG#B
VI F#min: F#AC#
VII G#dim: G#BD

I- Amaj7 : AC#EG#
II Bmin7 : BDF# A
III C#min7 : C#EG#B
IV Dmaj7 : DF#A C#
V E7 : EG#B D
VI F#min7: F#AC#E
VII G#min7b5: G#BDF#


Bb major:

I- Bb : BbDF
II Cmin : CEbG
III Dmin: DFA
IV Eb: EbGBb
V F: FAC
VI Gmin: GBbD
VII Adim: ACEb

I- Bbmaj7 : BbDFA
II Cmin7 : CEbGBb
III Dmin7 :DFAC
IV Ebmaj7 :EbGBbD
V F7 : FACEb
VI Gmin7: GBbDF
VII Am7b5: ACEbG

Eb major:

I- Eb : EbGBb
II Fmin : FAbC
III Gmin: GBbD
IV Ab: AbCEb
V Bb: BbDF
VI Cmin: CEbG
VII Ddim: DFAb

I- Ebmaj7 : EbGBbD
II Fmin7 : FAbCEb
III Gmin7 :GBbDF
IV Abmaj7 :AbCEb G
V Bb7 : BbDF Ab
VI Cmin7: CEbG Bb
VII Dm7b5: DFAb C

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Fantastic work Denis!
I will post your 2nd assignment today or tomorrow. Think about taking these chords and learning them on your guitar! I will give you some of my Triads lessons as well as 4 part harmony lessons.

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post Jun 12 2010, 04:23 PM
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Here is your 2nd assignment Denis!

2nd assignment :
Theory and Harmony essay


This assignment is sort of like an essay or written theory behind your current level of knowledge. This will help me totally understand where you at right now. I will give you couple of topics from which you can choose one (or more if you want to!) and write me as many things as possible about it. The deadline for this assignment is 19th of June. Here are the topics for your 2nd assignment :

1) Tell me everything you know about major scale. Construction, intervals, harmony and everything else you feel I need to know.
2) Tell me everything you know about cadences in major scale and its modes. Use C major scale for explanations.
3) Tell me everything you know about major scale modes?
4) Tell me everything you know about modal harmony?
5) Tell me everything you know about pentatonic scales?
6) Tell me everything you know about chord tone and tension relationship with harmony ?
7) Tell me everything you know about natural/harmonic/melodic minor scale harmony?
8) Tell me everything you know about natural/harmonic/melodic minor modes and harmony?

Remember, pick one (or more if you can do it by deadline) and write me as much as possible on given subject. I want to read and understand how you approach and understand given material.

Let me know if you have any questions!

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post Jun 13 2010, 11:00 AM
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Hi Pedja,

Ok I will do my best to write as much as possible ... but you won't be happy biggrin.gif

Also, if you find some time, could you comment here on my colab I did. Here is the link:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...mp;#entry486193

Hvala!
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QUOTE (DenisN @ Jun 13 2010, 12:00 PM) *
Hi Pedja,

Ok I will do my best to write as much as possible ... but you won't be happy biggrin.gif

Also, if you find some time, could you comment here on my colab I did. Here is the link:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...mp;#entry486193

Hvala!
Denis


Hi Denis,

I checked your collab take, there are two things that come to my mind straight away. 1) Tuning and 2) Climax of the solo. Tuning seems to be a bit off from actual backing track, always strive for perfection in that department (sounds flat to the actual backing). Your ideas are good however there is no final direction or destination in your solo, strong finish or ending. I also didn't here climax in your solo, where was it all leading? I haven't done collaboration in a while but if I do decide to do one in future I will let you know to join it so that we can work on those things.

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Denis here is remaining 2 assignments for June!


3rd assignment:
REC lesson
Triads in a major scale Part 1


- Check out Triads in a major scale Part 1
HERE
- Use backing track provided to record it.
- Upload video on Youtube and embed it here.
- Submit it for REC grading and in this thread here.

4th assignment :
Superimposing with minor pentatonics + improvising

- Read Superimposing with Minor Pentatonics post HERE
- After reading the whole thing with related link posts, think about choosing one chord and one approach you will use for recording!
- After you have chosen your approach, record a backing track with that chord and on top of that record yourself soloing with 1 or all 3 minor pentatonics corresponding with that mode!
- Post your work in this thread.

Let me give you an example here. Lets say that you have chosen A minor as your chord. Now you also chose A minor to be treated as II (Dorian sounding). In that case you should play minor pentatonics from G major scale ( A , B and E minor pentatonics) over A min chord in the background. 4th assignment asks you only to pick 1 but it also allows you to use all 3 pentatonics if you want to.
Backing track doesn't have to be anything fancy for this purpose. Just guitar playing the chord will do, if you want to add bass and drums to that to make it sound tighter go ahead!

Deadline for both assignments is 30th of June.

Let me know if you got any extra questions!

Pedja

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post Jun 22 2010, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jun 14 2010, 07:20 PM) *
Hi Denis,

I checked your collab take, there are two things that come to my mind straight away. 1) Tuning and 2) Climax of the solo. Tuning seems to be a bit off from actual backing track, always strive for perfection in that department (sounds flat to the actual backing). Your ideas are good however there is no final direction or destination in your solo, strong finish or ending. I also didn't here climax in your solo, where was it all leading? I haven't done collaboration in a while but if I do decide to do one in future I will let you know to join it so that we can work on those things.

Pedja


Hi Pedja,

First of all sorry for the delay but I've been very busy in the past 10 days and still am. I hope everything will slow down a little bit after this week. So, I din't forget abut MTP or let it go it's just that I'm trying to fit it best I can in the current schedule.

Regarding your comment THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! I really feel it is honest and I will put more attention to these things you mentioned.
I never really think about the climax in the solo I just write so I like it.smile.gif My idea here was to like have a melody to which I just add some technical ornaments. But perhaps you are right..it doesnt lead to some 'conclusion/ climax'...I'll have that in mind next time. Hope we can work on it in your colab!! smile.gif

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jun 12 2010, 05:23 PM) *
2nd assignment :
2) Tell me everything you know about cadences in major scale and its modes. Use C major scale for explanations.


Ok, I took this toppic beause I really didn't understand how to bring out the flavors of a specific mode. So tnx for this post!!

Here we go.

I hope it's no problem if I ask questions on places I feel uncertain?


I - I divided the modes on minor(min3rd) and major (maj 3rd) and wrote out their formulas. I took the Ionian as reference point for the major scales and the Aeolian for minor scales.

Major:
I II III IV V VI VII - IONIAN
I II III #IV V VI VII - LYDIAN
I II III IV V VI bVII - MIXOLYDIAN

Minor:
I II bIII IV V bVI bVII - AEOLIAN
I II bIII IV V VI bVII - DORIAN
I bII bIII IV V bVI bVII - FRIGIAN

I bII bIII IV bV bVI bVII - LOCRIAN

[b]C IONIAN:


I II III IV V VI VII
C D E F G A B

Ionian is the ''main'' major mode so it contains all the major chords.
These are: Cmaj Fmaj Gmaj
So ionian cadence idv: I IV V.

I must say that I'm a little confused by Dmin that you put into the cadence.
The Emin (paralell minor of G) seemed more imporatnt to me because E is a very important note in the C chord (maj 3rd) and Emin contains also G wich id Vth in Cmaj.

I know that Dmin id paralell minor of F. CAN I Use perhaps both Dmin nad Emin as long as I finish with Cmaj?


D DORIAN:

I II bIII IV V VI bVII - DORIAN
D E F G A B C

Comparing it to the mnor mode the Dorian is distinguished by the VI and not by bIV.
So emphasising that note we get:
Dmin to Bdim - because Bdim is diminished triade we dont use it.
( Could you please explain if this because we are looking for pure triades or would it just sound odd? I tried it and to me it souds ok. Perhaps this doesnt bring out the mode flavor which has a perfect Vth ??)

B as 3dr
Dmin to Gmaj
B as 5th
Dmin to Emin

So Dorian cadences:

I min to IVmaj
Imin to II min
I min IVmaj II min

E Frigian:

I bII bIII IV V bVI bVII - FRIGIAN
E F G A B C D

So compared to the Aeolian the bII is specific.
We get (constrictiong chord using bII):
Emin to Fmaj - Imin to bIImaj
Emin to Dmin - I min to bVIImin
Emin Fmaj Dmin- Imin to bIImaj to bVIImin

F Lydian:


I II III #IV V VI VII - LYDIAN
F G A B C D E
The specific note is #IV compared to teh Ionian.
I won't use the Bdim here because it's not a pure triade vith a perfect Vth. Please correct me if it's an othe reason
So:
Fmaj to Gmaj - Imaj to IImaj
Fmaj to Emin- Imaj to VIImaj
Fmaj to Emin Gmaj- Imaj to VIImaj to IImaj

G Mixolydian:

I II III IV V VI bVII - MIXOLYDIAN
G A B C D E F

The characteristic note is bVII.

Gmaj to Fmaj- Imaj to bVIImaj
Gmaj to Dmin- Imaj to Vmin

Gmaj to Dmin to Fmaj: Gmaj to Dmin- Imaj to Vmin to bVIImaj

A Aeolian:


I II bIII IV V bVI bVII - AEOLIAN
A B C D E F G
As the main notes I see here (like in the Ionian) the IV and Vth degree.

Imin to IVmin to Vmin - Amin to D min to E min

I gues I can use the parall minors/majors of Dmin and Emin and get

Imin to bVImaj to bVIImaj - Amin to F maj to G maj

I noticed that everywhere where I have a pure triade ex. Fmaj I can also use its paralel minor Dmin. Does this apply to all paralell minors and majors in all cadences besides the dim chords?


OK biggrin.gif Thats it.

I will dig into the other assignments from tomorrow. I will have a delay on the m too because Im out of town from Thursday and will be back on Sunday. I hope you don't mind.

BR,
Denis

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post Jun 27 2010, 03:36 PM
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( Could you please explain if this because we are looking for pure triades or would it just sound odd? I tried it and to me it souds ok. Perhaps this doesnt bring out the mode flavor which has a perfect Vth ??)

Denis let me respond to your question first.

B dim triad could be used over D Dorian mode but we wouldn't use it with D min triad as they are too much alike (one note difference). Nothing wrong with B dim triad, it has major 6th (characteristic note of the mode) , Root and Minor 3rd.

Regarding your assignment, you did great, thank you.
I am waiting for your remaining assignments. Please make sure you complete them by 30th of June!


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post Jun 30 2010, 06:35 AM
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Hello Pedja,

Here is the REC

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...t=0#entry488628

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Cool Denis, I am expecting your 4th assignment asap.


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Hi Pedja,

Here is my last assignment for this part.
I have some problems with my youtube account so I'm uploading it this way. I'll upload it on youtube when I fix the account problems.


BR,
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Hi Denis,

I watched your video, you did some very nice superimposing approaches. Your note choice was very tension based which was basically what my intention was with the superimposing assignment. Thank you for completing all the work in June. I will now close this thread for GMC management purposes and open July thread for you.

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