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post Jul 9 2010, 08:45 PM
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So finally I got a studio in my neighbourhood booked for a recording session on tuesday.
As some of You may know, I ran a studio myself in the 80'ths as well as participated as a sideman on
some records, not worth naming though........ laugh.gif
This will be the very first record in my own name, and I'm very excited bout it.

We're gonna record everything with analogue technique to get a more vintage sound, and no rehearsals will take place before the session.
I'm aiming at doin some 4-5 songs in one day, since we're gonna record "live", all my own songs.

So why is he doin this, may some of You think ???
Of course I have some well motivated answer on this leading-to-nowhere project:

1) I will post a copy to Ms.Pfeiffer, in order to get invited to her home.
2) I want to hear my own music on my funeral.
3) I want others to have a copy of my bad taste in song-writing, by experience I know that my own recordings suddenly disappears after some months, dont really know why ???
4) I want to throw my finances on something useless, and this will be the ultimate stuff!
5) At last - but not least, I will try to convince some tonedeaf club-owners that we are artists and not dishwashers or cleaners....

Ofc. I will report on how this project are gonna develop.

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post Jul 9 2010, 08:55 PM
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Cool Can´t Wait to hear it!! Good Luck Staffy! wink.gif


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Very cool! Looking forward to hear it smile.gif
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post Jul 9 2010, 09:08 PM
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put in a good word for me if you get invited to Michelle's house! biggrin.gif
Keep us updated Staffay! I can't wait to hear your album - oh, and put me down for a copy - just keep it under 30 bucks tho k? cool.gif


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post Jul 9 2010, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (Staffy @ Jul 9 2010, 08:45 PM) *
So finally I got a studio in my neighbourhood booked for a recording session on tuesday.
As some of You may know, I ran a studio myself in the 80'ths as well as participated as a sideman on
some records, not worth naming though........ laugh.gif
This will be the very first record in my own name, and I'm very excited bout it.

We're gonna record everything with analogue technique to get a more vintage sound, and no rehearsals will take place before the session.
I'm aiming at doin some 4-5 songs in one day, since we're gonna record "live", all my own songs.

So why is he doin this, may some of You think ???
Of course I have some well motivated answer on this leading-to-nowhere project:

1) I will post a copy to Ms.Pfeiffer, in order to get invited to her home.
2) I want to hear my own music on my funeral.
3) I want others to have a copy of my bad taste in song-writing, by experience I know that my own recordings suddenly disappears after some months, dont really know why ???
4) I want to throw my finances on something useless, and this will be the ultimate stuff!
5) At last - but not least, I will try to convince some tonedeaf club-owners that we are artists and not dishwashers or cleaners....

Ofc. I will report on how this project are gonna develop.

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post Jul 9 2010, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Jul 9 2010, 10:08 PM) *
put in a good word for me if you get invited to Michelle's house! biggrin.gif
Keep us updated Staffay! I can't wait to hear your album - oh, and put me down for a copy - just keep it under 30 bucks tho k? cool.gif



Oh well, I think its just be possible to sell some 10 copies or so, but since the minimum You have to press is 1000, there will be plenty of copies to give away or burn, or even use as frisbees....

And sure, I will tell Michelle to call ya !!! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 9 2010, 10:19 PM) *
Staffay......Next time you want to throw your finaces away on something useless PM me and I'll send you my address. I'm always willing to do my part to help a fellow GMCer....... tongue.gif laugh.gif


Oh well, maybe we can arrange a trip to Sweden so You can participate, that will for sure kill my retirement-funds as well.... laugh.gif

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post Jul 10 2010, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE (Staffy @ Jul 9 2010, 07:45 PM) *
So finally I got a studio in my neighbourhood booked for a recording session on tuesday.
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1) I will post a copy to Ms.Pfeiffer, in order to get invited to her home.
...

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Well if it doesn't get her interest then she must be tone deaf.


QUOTE (Staffy @ Jul 9 2010, 08:41 PM) *
... but since the minimum You have to press is 1000, there will be plenty of copies to give away or burn, or even use as frisbees....
...

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A duplication plant will do a much lower minimum pressing but the quality is not as good. Replication plants, as you say, normally start a run at between 500-1000 because of the time and expense needed to produce the glass master.

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Wow.. very cool staffay! smile.gif I wish few others heard my songs too. biggrin.gif Anyway, without a big name behind you, it doesn't look like it will be popular, thats what I have learnt.

Good luck with the record. I wish to do some live records too but right now Im just a bedroom guitarist.

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post Jul 10 2010, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jul 10 2010, 10:33 AM) *
Well if it doesn't get her interest then she must be tone deaf.




A duplication plant will do a much lower minimum pressing but the quality is not as good. Replication plants, as you say, normally start a run at between 500-1000 because of the time and expense needed to produce the glass master.

Best of luck with the project cool.gif



Thx. Tony !

Hehe, yeah... but she's not, maybe it should be better if she was??? tongue.gif She sings really good in fact, its her own voice in "Faboulous Baker Boys". smile.gif

I will go for a 1000 at a real plant, I think, since this record will be used most for promotional purposes in order to get some gigs.
Nowadays its very hard to get a club-owner interested unless You are a recording artist. So besides my jokes here, this is the actual
reason for doin this.

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QUOTE (maharzan @ Jul 10 2010, 10:40 AM) *
Wow.. very cool staffay! smile.gif I wish few others heard my songs too. biggrin.gif Anyway, without a big name behind you, it doesn't look like it will be popular, thats what I have learnt.

Good luck with the record. I wish to do some live records too but right now Im just a bedroom guitarist.

Will look forward to the records.



As i stated above, I dont expect to get anything out of it besides having some more gigs. I just do it for my own pleasure.
This kind of music hardly sells anyway, and with my looks, I wouldn't be able to get some promotion from the smallest Indie-label
anyway.... laugh.gif

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QUOTE (Staffy @ Jul 10 2010, 08:43 AM) *
Thx. Tony !

Hehe, yeah... but she's not, maybe it should be better if she was??? tongue.gif She sings really good in fact, its her own voice in "Faboulous Baker Boys". smile.gif


Indeed she can, especially when she was lying on the piano wink.gif


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I will go for a 1000 at a real plant, I think, since this record will be used most for promotional purposes in order to get some gigs.
Nowadays its very hard to get a club-owner interested unless You are a recording artist. So besides my jokes here, this is the actual
reason for doin this.

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You'll probably already know this but most of the big replication plants can also do the cover printing and layout and packaging etc which can help ensure that the final cd looks, as well as sounds, professional.

For runs over 500 cds a replication plant is definitely better but because of the number of cds produced it can't be classified as a demo, As it is no longer a demo most replication plants will expect/demand both an ISRC and a signed legal document that you either hold the copyright to, or have the copyright owner's clearance to use, the songs on your disc. (Most plants bury this requirement in the legal jargon somewhere in their 'technical requirements' details.) If it's the latter (ie the disc includes cover versions and/or samples) then you may need to register with the PRS in order to complete the AP2 Staffay. If you need to do this then it could save you a bit of time to apply once you know the running order of the cd etc rather than wait until you send to the plant.


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QUOTE (Staffy @ Jul 9 2010, 08:45 PM) *
So finally I got a studio in my neighbourhood booked for a recording session on tuesday.
As some of You may know, I ran a studio myself in the 80'ths as well as participated as a sideman on
some records, not worth naming though........ laugh.gif
This will be the very first record in my own name, and I'm very excited bout it.

We're gonna record everything with analogue technique to get a more vintage sound, and no rehearsals will take place before the session.
I'm aiming at doin some 4-5 songs in one day, since we're gonna record "live", all my own songs.

So why is he doin this, may some of You think ???
Of course I have some well motivated answer on this leading-to-nowhere project:

1) I will post a copy to Ms.Pfeiffer, in order to get invited to her home.
2) I want to hear my own music on my funeral.
3) I want others to have a copy of my bad taste in song-writing, by experience I know that my own recordings suddenly disappears after some months, dont really know why ???
4) I want to throw my finances on something useless, and this will be the ultimate stuff!
5) At last - but not least, I will try to convince some tonedeaf club-owners that we are artists and not dishwashers or cleaners....

Ofc. I will report on how this project are gonna develop.

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1) I live closer to michelle
2) You planin to do somethin we should know about
3)I already have bad taste
4)Throw your finances to me , I haven't been able to buy a new guitar in ages- or fly out to Cali. to meet Michelle
5) in some clubs around here ,I think it is the dishwashers that end up playing.

lookin forward to it
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jul 10 2010, 02:22 PM) *
1) I live closer to michelle
2) You planin to do somethin we should know about
3)I already have bad taste
4)Throw your finances to me , I haven't been able to buy a new guitar in ages- or fly out to Cali. to meet Michelle
5) in some clubs around here ,I think it is the dishwashers that end up playing.

lookin forward to it


Hehe, yeah, I might as well show up as a dishwasher. It reminds me of a friend of mine that always said to his daughters: "If You dont study, You might end up as bus-drivers". So, one day the door-bell rang and he opened and got hitted by a big guy that yelled: "Whats wrong bout bus-drivers? Who wanna end up like a gardener like You, You s-o-b .... " (It was one the father of one of his daughters friend that got mad about this statement when he heard it ...)

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Oki, I will share the first steps in the recording process with You guys here in this thread, and then I will keep it updated!

First, here is the place where we are recording: Berno Studios
The guy is very experienced and has done a lot of metal, rock, jazz etc. with the top-artists here in my area.

Day One 09.00 - 16.00

First we where thinking of going completely analog, but after some discussions we decided to do it digital anyway.
Since he has very good A/D -converters, and a very accurate Otari 24-bity recording unit in combination with Pro-tools HD2, the benefits of this system editing-wise and mixing wise is far beyond the analog stuff.

So after micing the drums, the bass (no lining here!) and the guitar, we took place in the same room. However, the guitar was separated in the room to avoid leakage in the other mics to have the possibilty to overdub if necessary.
Only Neumanns, Sennheiser & quality condenser mics as well as SM 57's where used. Everything was checked for phase-problems, and after some 3-4 hours we were ready to go.

Since we was totally un-rehearsed due to holidays, lack of time etc. we spent some time rehearsing on every song before doin the takes.

Originally I planned to do 4 songs, maybe 5 if there was time, but the other guy's had to leave at 16.00, so there was only three one's recorded. The fourth one - was that complicated, and we we're getting tired, so we decided to do it later.

Notable is that actually playin in the same room without any ear-phones, is a big advantage by my means, since the communication between us musicians becomes much more fluid, and the fact that You can hear how ther instruments sound by themselves.

Day 2 09.00-13.00

This day we were supposed to play all guitars on those three songs that we recorded the other day. (Demons in Tango, Sheesh & My Love is gone, I think they still can be found here somewhere in their demo versions....) But since we started to talk bout music, me and the owner of the studio, we were'nt that effective..... Anyway, we started with running my 70'ths marshall in a Leslie-cabinet instead of a regular speaker, an idea I got for some day ago. It seems to work very well, and I really like the sound so far. After that we switched to some Marshall like sound played with my LP through my Tweed Deluxe and did all distorted backing guitars on two songs as well as a lot of fills - that probably wont be used very much, but its better to have too much material than too little....
After that we connected the real Hammond to the Leslie and I did some backing keyboards for Demons in Tango - since this one is supposed to be some kind of "Radio-Edit" that normal people can understand..... tongue.gif
The third song we didn't had the time to do at this occasion, since this one gonna be recorded with guitar & vocals at the same time.

On the agenda is to finish these 3 songs off in next week - since I need a rough mix of them at least to send to some Venues in order to get some gigs. However, the whole album will be properly mixed when all the songs is done (about 20, of which we will keep 10-14, I think)

The sound samples I posted below is just the sound going into the recording system with no effects, mixing etc. except for some snare reverb.... In my opinion it sounds very clear and distinct in this stage of the production - especially the high transients differs a lot from the "normal" mics & soundcards people usually have. As we all know, the general rule is: what goes in comes out, and what You are really listening to at this stage is the basic sound of the instruments and the playing - the mixing is a totally other issue
, and one must imagine what it will sounds like when ready, since it sounds very flat & boring at this point in the process.

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hey man, it sounds very very cool man, i hear a lot of good mics and pre amps there, congrats!!
but yeah i was going to suggest you do it digital, still it sounds vintage man, but you can have post production now wink.gif

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QUOTE (Adrian Figallo @ Jul 15 2010, 07:21 PM) *
hey man, it sounds very very cool man, i hear a lot of good mics and pre amps there, congrats!!
but yeah i was going to suggest you do it digital, still it sounds vintage man, but you can have post production now wink.gif

keep us posted!


Yeah, I will let You know! I'planning to write about every stage, as well as take pics, videos etc. I will post like everything... smile.gif

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wow thats some live recording... I love it. smile.gif I want to do the same now.


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