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post Jul 21 2010, 10:13 PM
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Hi Ruben!

I've checked Your playing a little and have some ideas on what we shall go for, but first I want You to post Your goals, preferred topics of learning + a little presentation and a little about Your current knowledge.

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post Jul 21 2010, 10:49 PM
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Hi Staffy..

So I Have been Playn Guitar for something more or less like 3 years (but only started playn seriously 2 years ago) ..
I bealive that my technique is now in an intermediate level.. and I usually can play everything i want to .. ( ofc i don´t really like to play extreme death metal and stuff like that so i don´t play really fast stuff .. I´m more of an Classic rock/ blues / hardrock kinda guy smile.gif )
I have very little theorichal knowledge cause i don´t like to study it :S but I sould start studyng it so we can work on some basic stuff ..
( It´s like i can do scales and chords and harmonizations but i don´t know the formulas by heart i allway have to go check how the minor chords are formed and stuff like that .. )
I know the pentanonics all over the neck and I can improvise w/ them but sometimes i get too repetitive ..
So I would like to break out of the box..and i know a bit of the diatonics but not all of them ..

Goals:

- I would like to Improve My Improvaisation / solo composing skills
- Learn basics of rock/ jazz ( cause i want to start writing my own songs and i bealive that this might help )

Let me know if you need to know anything else smile.gif

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post Jul 23 2010, 10:21 PM
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Hey Staffy ..

I just wanted to tell you that next week I will be In vacations from Monday to Sunday ..
So that is way I wont be responding if you post anything...

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post Jul 23 2010, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (ruben_mcn @ Jul 23 2010, 11:21 PM) *
Hey Staffy ..

I just wanted to tell you that next week I will be In vacations from Monday to Sunday ..
So that is way I wont be responding if you post anything...

See ya


I was thinking of starting at monday, but I can post it anyway and You can pick it up when You're back. We're actually not under
some kind of time pressure here so we can just advance in the pace You are comfortable with. smile.gif
(Dont worry, I have loads of stuff... *lol*)

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post Jul 23 2010, 11:06 PM
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Thanks Man smile.gif I will Try to find a web conection during the vacations to check the assigments out smile.gif

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post Jul 27 2010, 06:55 AM
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Hi Ruben!

Based on what I've seen of Your playin at the "Voodoo Child" vid (which actually sounds fine to me :-)), I have planned some exercises that will improve some points of Your playing. First I want to point out that even that its necessary to have Your thumb above the neck when playing Hendrix stuff & similar, I will advice You to change the hand position when doing solo parts, since You can't bend the strings really high with the thumb stuck up there, also it will restrict Your fingers movement at large intervals.

About bending
The key to a succesful Blues/Rock soloing is imo. bending. Therefore the bends must be:
1) In tune
2) In time
3) be resolved if necessary to a chord tone, otherwise the phrase will sound unfinished.

Everything is all about control and to build up a strenght to perform the bends.
Vibrato is very often added to a bend and must therefore also be practiced, and in
different note values. Eg. a vibrato can be a triplet, eight-note etc. Vibrato on a bend
will put even more pressure of Your muscles in the left hand, so its very important to build
up a good strenght.

Some theory
If we have a tune in the key of A minor which equivivalent major key is C, then the A-blues
scale/A pentatonic will be a natural choice. But what if we want to play some other notes as well?
If we have a riff that mostly stays at an A-minor chord - then we have to play some sort of an A-minor scale, which will
be A, B, C, D, E, F, G, A. This scale is called A natural minor and is the same as C-major.
Now, since the natural sixth (F) is not really a colour note of a minor chord, the keyboard player or backing guitar
player will most likely colour this chord with F# instead. This means that You have to play a Dorian scale over
the A-minor chord. (which will be the same as a G-major scale) This is spelled A, B, C, D, E, F# G, A.
The Dorian scale in conjunction with the blues scale/pentatonic is essential in all rock playing, however if the chord
progression moves away from A-minor and hits F or D-minor for instance, its necessary to change the F# to F.
But basically when a minor chord is the tonic, You want to use the Dorian sound instead of natural minor.

Playing a minor third "behind"
This is what I call it, a simple trick to get a major sound in a blues-type of a progression. Most blues tunes has a flat
7 chord as tonic, which give us a lot of options when choosing notes to improvise with.
In the key of A, it means that You can play almost the same licks as the A blues/A pentatonic a third below, which in
this case will be F#. Shifting between A-blues/F# blues will get You both the minor/major sound of the blues.

Assignment 1:
Pick out all the possible bends in the first box of A and practice them, especially the one's on the three highest
strings. Use A dorian as a template. To check that You are in tune, let the bend ring, stop and then fret the note You are
bending to. Write down the bends in GP 5 and record them as an MP3 or a vid. At this point we will do them without vibrato.

Assignment 2:
Theory:
The three basic chords in a major key is the Tonic, the Sub-dominant and the Dominant. In the key of C it will produce
C, F and G. (1 - 4 - 5) Another very common chord progression is the "turn-around" which is 1 - 6 - 2 - 5, this will give us
C - Am - Dm -G(7) in the key of C.
Write down the turnaround in the following keys and post them here: F, A, E, G, D, Bb. (dont forget to play them)

Assignment 3:
Make an improvisation over the the following backing track with the focus on:
1) Switching between major/minor sound. You can also try Dorian on the sub-dominant, or parts of it all over. Experiment!
2) Accuracy in bendings.
3) Pauses between phrases.
4) Building the solo, eg. begin cool and raise the intensity.

Note that speed is not the goal here, neither to do a "written" solo. Just jam along and have some fun and I will comment
it. Post it as a MP3 or vid. In the next lesson I will provide some typical phrases as a source of inspiration.

If You have any type of questions, dont hesitate to post them. I will try to answer whatever it is! :-)

//Staffay

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post Jul 28 2010, 10:45 AM
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Hi Staffy.. Thanks for the assignments I will start to work on them asasp .. (Actually I have already started the theory parts smile.gif but unfortunatly I can´t do anymore than that since i don´t have a guitar w/ me sad.gif )

btw: I don´t Get a couple of Things.. to start why is the last chord in the turnaround in the key of C a G7 and not a G major ? ( I don´t get it )
And when you speak about dorian mode its a bit hard for me to follow you beacuse my modes knowledge is not that Great ..



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post Jul 28 2010, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE (ruben_mcn @ Jul 28 2010, 11:45 AM) *
Hi Staffy.. Thanks for the assignments I will start to work on them asasp .. (Actually I have already started the theory parts smile.gif but unfortunatly I can´t do anymore than that since i don´t have a guitar w/ me sad.gif )

btw: I don´t Get a couple of Things.. to start why is the last chord in the turnaround in the key of C a G7 and not a G major ? ( I don´t get it )


Its a G-major chord with minor 7 because the note is an F, and since we are in the tonality of C, the scale of C is spelled: C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C .
If it had been a major 7, the note had been F#, which is not into the C-major scale. G7 in this case is called a dominant to the C-chord that is a tonic (base-chord) in the tonality of C.

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And when you speak about dorian mode its a bit hard for me to follow you beacuse my modes knowledge is not that Great ..


Oki, I didnt know how much knowledge You have about the basic scale. Here's comes a short explanation:

If we have the key of C, the scale produced is a c-major scale which is spelled: C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C
This scale is called the ionian scale, which is another word for a simple major scale.
If we then continues to build new scales from each of the note in the C-major (ionian) scale, we will have scales that
corresponding to the chords in C-major. The scenario looks like this:

Key = C-major

Chord buildt from C = C, Cmajor7, scale/mode = Ionian
Chord built from second degree in the scale/mode = Dm, Dm7, Scale = dorian
Chord built from third degree in the scale/mode = Em, Em7, Scale = phrygian
Chord built from fourth degree in the scale/mode = F, Fmajor7, Scale = lydian
Chord built from fifth degree in the scale/mode = G, G7, Scale = mixolydian
Chord built from sixth degree in the scale/mode =Am, Am7, Scale = aeolian
Chord built from seventh degree in the scale/mode = Bmb5, Bm7b5, Scale = Lydian

These scales are all diatonic scales, and has their own modes - eg. You can build a song on a mode, or play a mode over a certain chord.
Since A-minor is a parallel key to C-major if You check the notes above, the most logic choice would be to play A-aeolian, BUT when You have a minor chord as a Tonic (the 1 - chord), it sounds often much better to use the Dorian scale/mode which has a raised 6'th instead of a natural - this is the only difference between the natural minor (aeolian) and the Dorian. Since the natural 6'th is actually not a colour note of a minor chord, the piano player/accompanist is most likely to play the raised sixth and hence the Dorian mode will fit the best.

I hope this clears out some issues, otherwise, just ask again! :-)

//Staffay

EDIT: So if we have A-dorian, thats actually the second chord of G-major tonality, but basically when You have a tune in a minor key, the scale used over the tonic is always the dorian.

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Hi Staffy I just got back from vacation... tongue.gif

and finished my frist task smile.gif let me ko what you think

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Hey Staffy here is Assigment 2 , i had already done it in the vacations but i lost a the word file in wich i had writin the awsers so i had to do it again ...

Turnaround in:
F: F - Dm - Gm - C7
A: A - F#m - Bm - E7
E: E - C#m - F#m - B7
G: G - Em - Am - D7
D: D - Bm - Em - A7
Bb: Bb - Gm - Cm - F7


I´m Going to play them on my guitar now smile.gif see ya

Btw: Thanks For the explenation on modes and dominat chords staffy smile.gif

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Hey Staffy here is my jam over your track smile.gif

Hope you Enjoy It .. It think it got worst to the end of it but in the start it was sounding quite nice to me ..

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post Aug 8 2010, 01:21 AM
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Wow i just check the stuff i had to focus on the 3rd assignment again .. and after that i heard my take wacko.gif i think i falied to focus on some topics.. I will rec another jam w/ more atention ..

btw: I have one doubt when you say "Switching between major/minor sound" how do i do that ?? is it just changing between A min and its relative scale c Major ? or is it changing between A min and A major ( I actually tried doing this and it sounded quite nice sometimes ) ?

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Hey Staffy here is another Jam Over the backingtrack you Gave me smile.gif I tried to pay more atention to the topics ou mentioned..

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post Aug 11 2010, 09:56 PM
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Hi Ruben!
I just checked Your assignments, and I think You great on all three, even that the bending assignment was not really what I had in mind. But the way You did it was also OK!!!
(check the video in the post below, and You will understand)

I will give You some notes on the improvisation here:
- the second one is far better than the first one.
- there is some nice lines at 1.20
- You start out good, with just playing around a single note, thats what BB.King does all the time.

Things to improve:
- timing (more about this also below)
- bends
- vibrato

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Sorry about first assingmnt I really tougth that was what you wanted sad.gif


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Hi again!
The reason for writing in separate posts is that it will be easier for You to read imo.
We're gonna move on with what we started and I have recorded some vids that explains what I mean. (the sound is just from the cam, but I think You will get the essence anyway)

First i want to discuss the Dorian mode a little further. As said before the Dorian mode/scale will fit a minor chord, but ALSO a seventh chord in a blues progression - or all of them really, if used with taste. The chords in a simple blues progression is called the Tonic ( I-chord) the sub-dominant (the IV-chord) and the Dominant ( the V-chord). In the key of A this will be: A7, D7, and E7 which You probably know.

But the A-dorian will be especially good on the D7 chord. Why? Because an A-dorian scale with the root of D will be a D-mixolydian scale, which is the natural scale for a seventh chord. Playing an A-dorian on the Tonic (A7) will give a minor sound to the chord since there's the minor third instead of a major, however, if we just change the minor third to a major third we will get an A-mixolydian scale with all notes corresponding to the chord. However, blues players doesn't really think in those terms, they rather play by ear. Most of them have very little or no theory knowledge at all. (ofc. players like Bonamassa, Robben Ford etc. knows exactly what they are doing, but I refer to classic blues players here)

This discussion will lead us in to the first vid I prepared, which explains the use of the blues scale in major/minor mode. (I may be excused for my slow speak, please dont fall asleep.... tongue.gif ) Please also note that its very common to bend the minor third to the major third.



Stay tuned, there is more to come as well as the new assignments.

//staffay

QUOTE (ruben_mcn @ Aug 11 2010, 11:17 PM) *
Sorry about first assingmnt I really tougth that was what you wanted sad.gif


Dont worry my friend, I might not been precise enough, I will shape up!!! smile.gif

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Thanks For the Video Staffy It was really Helpfull and it gave me some nice ideas smile.gif


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Hey Staffy.. sorry to be kind off a pain in the ass for you xD but when you what to give me new assigments I´m ready for them smile.gif

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