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post Jul 30 2010, 11:54 PM
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Here's my semi-finished GP of my band's song "Tales of The Fallen Messiah". After a talk with the guys at Chat, I figured i'd upload it, even if it's the GP, just to check if I'm ignoring the other instruments and just caring about the guitar. Well, I made all the instruments, so don't expect super great drums or something like that. Bass I didn't bother to much yet, so it's a very simple root note based bass. Also, no vocals, still in working order.

P.S: The piano and guitar solos are improvised, not the final ones.

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post Jul 31 2010, 12:42 AM
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Here's a little feedback... smile.gif

Intro
My taste in this kind of intro is a very high voice playing, gradually fading in throughout the whole section. I would suggest your strings, since they aren't doing anything, and the same 4 intruments are playing from 5 to 18. You develop the piano and guitar riff going on by adding another voice, either playing harmony or as I said, constant note ringing. It's not boring, but could be more exciting. This seems like the typical thing to do in a symphonic piece like this one.

Tales of the Fallen Messiah
Not much to add... You could add a second set of strings for the backing melody runs, with a minor third interval. If you don't want to emphasise this instrument's voice, harmonise the guitars higher notes.

Growl Verse

I honestly thought you could add more variation to this, as it's 8 bars of the same theme going on, but then I realised it's supposed to have vocals, and should be a break from the other instrumental work.

Melodic Verse
Beautiful. This theme is very inspiring and memorable.

Melodic Verse 2
Repetition of the first one with minimal change. OK, but I would add a harmony for the strings or guitar, leading into the next note, because sometimes the melody is a bit slow. Basically, if you go from C to E, the harmony part would lead the note by playing C-D-E for a smoother transition. Just an example, I don't know if that's the exact case in your song.

Pre-chorus
Same as melodic verse...

Chorus
Try a more cheerful chord progression, using the same melody. This could seriously sound epic, more than it already does in my opinion. It will also be a great way to puzzle the listener, because they will recognise the chorus melody, but it will be presented in a different mood. When I say cheerful, I don't mean "happy happy", I mean more "major" sounding... More motivating, ascending etc.

Growl
No more excuses. We've heard this section before. Add a second voice to spice it up.

Melodic Verse 3
Second voice to lead main voice as mentioned in the second melodic verse. Strange ending. The high note seems out of place, which could be a good thing, but it sounds a bit unfinished in this instance.

Bridge

Very nice, and smooth transition into the...

... Piano Solo
Sounds good. Nothing to add in my opinion.

Guitar Solo

The solo itself is very well composed... I like how it is supported by harmonies at the end. Well done... smile.gif However the strings seem to more harm than good. First of all they are in a similar frequency range as the other instruments, which isn't always very helpful, because it makes the song sound too saturated, which you do not want when you're supposed to be blown away by the guitar solo. You need to make it more discrete, not that it should be less volume, but at a different frequency range. I say you move everything up one octave, and if it sounds too piercing to the ears, soften it up by reducing volume by a tiny bit. The chords in this string chord progression sound a bit odd, especially at 129. I say you go for a string duet instead of strings, as it would let the guitar solo flow more, but it's up to you.

Outro
First of all it's too sudden. You should try letting a string section keep playing in decrescendo to fade out the guitar solo, but making sure that it fits the outro section. When I say it's too sudden, I also mean the guitar isn't enough. You play the same theme as during the intro, which started with what you play in the outro. However, since you want the song to fade out gradually, I say you go with the supported Intro theme starting at 4, THEN let the guitar finish the job accompanied by a high string sound fading out. The intro theme is too beautiful not to be taken more advantage of... This should make the song something like 8 bars longer, but the outro would be more anticipated and more powerful.

Hope this helps, if you disagree or need me to elaborate on any of my observations, please tell me biggrin.gif Beautiful song! smile.gif


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post Jul 31 2010, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE (Alexiaden93 @ Jul 31 2010, 12:42 AM) *
Here's a little feedback... smile.gif

Intro
My taste in this kind of intro is a very high voice playing, gradually fading in throughout the whole section. I would suggest your strings, since they aren't doing anything, and the same 4 intruments are playing from 5 to 18. You develop the piano and guitar riff going on by adding another voice, either playing harmony or as I said, constant note ringing. It's not boring, but could be more exciting. This seems like the typical thing to do in a symphonic piece like this one.

The reason why it's not more developed it's because it's just creating an atmosphere, it's a spoken word part, hence the single notes, and not much melody development for it


Tales of the Fallen Messiah
Not much to add... You could add a second set of strings for the backing melody runs, with a minor third interval. If you don't want to emphasise this instrument's voice, harmonise the guitars higher notes.

[b]True, i did thing that, in the recordings we were considering some french horn smile.gif


Growl Verse[/b]
I honestly thought you could add more variation to this, as it's 8 bars of the same theme going on, but then I realised it's supposed to have vocals, and should be a break from the other instrumental work.

Nothing to add here smile.gif

Melodic Verse
Beautiful. This theme is very inspiring and memorable.

Melodic Verse 2
Repetition of the first one with minimal change. OK, but I would add a harmony for the strings or guitar, leading into the next note, because sometimes the melody is a bit slow. Basically, if you go from C to E, the harmony part would lead the note by playing C-D-E for a smoother transition. Just an example, I don't know if that's the exact case in your song.

Hmm...I think this would work very well in instrumental wise, I can still try it thought, I do agree that the melody is a bit slow though, now that I think about it, so I will take in your suggestion, cheers.


Pre-chorus
Same as melodic verse...

Chorus
Try a more cheerful chord progression, using the same melody. This could seriously sound epic, more than it already does in my opinion. It will also be a great way to puzzle the listener, because they will recognise the chorus melody, but it will be presented in a different mood. When I say cheerful, I don't mean "happy happy", I mean more "major" sounding... More motivating, ascending etc.

People that know me, now that I'm a big BIG minor fan tongue.gif. So this is really something I MUST consider biggrin.gif


Growl
No more excuses. We've heard this section before. Add a second voice to spice it up.

I could make the choirs continue, or were you speaking instrumental wise?


Melodic Verse 3
Second voice to lead main voice as mentioned in the second melodic verse. Strange ending. The high note seems out of place, which could be a good thing, but it sounds a bit unfinished in this instance.


[b]It's suppose to sound unfinished, but I've yet to find a way to introduce the other section better, was thinking about just some brass and choir


Bridge[/b]
Very nice, and smooth transition into the...

... Piano Solo
Sounds good. Nothing to add in my opinion.

Guitar Solo

The solo itself is very well composed... I like how it is supported by harmonies at the end. Well done... smile.gif However the strings seem to more harm than good. First of all they are in a similar frequency range as the other instruments, which isn't always very helpful, because it makes the song sound too saturated, which you do not want when you're supposed to be blown away by the guitar solo. You need to make it more discrete, not that it should be less volume, but at a different frequency range. I say you move everything up one octave, and if it sounds too piercing to the ears, soften it up by reducing volume by a tiny bit. The chords in this string chord progression sound a bit odd, especially at 129. I say you go for a string duet instead of strings, as it would let the guitar solo flow more, but it's up to you.

Interesting, will discuss with my keyboardist


Outro
First of all it's too sudden. You should try letting a string section keep playing in decrescendo to fade out the guitar solo, but making sure that it fits the outro section. When I say it's too sudden, I also mean the guitar isn't enough. You play the same theme as during the intro, which started with what you play in the outro. However, since you want the song to fade out gradually, I say you go with the supported Intro theme starting at 4, THEN let the guitar finish the job accompanied by a high string sound fading out. The intro theme is too beautiful not to be taken more advantage of... This should make the song something like 8 bars longer, but the outro would be more anticipated and more powerful.

Hope this helps, if you disagree or need me to elaborate on any of my observations, please tell me biggrin.gif Beautiful song! smile.gif


Couldn't agree more and appreciate the great and full described comment smile.gif


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post Aug 2 2010, 05:11 PM
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Wow, this is the longest comment ever, I actually read it whole smile.gif


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post Aug 13 2010, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (Vasilije Vukmirovic @ Aug 2 2010, 06:11 PM) *
Wow, this is the longest comment ever, I actually read it whole smile.gif

Haha, I hope it made sense xD


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