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post Aug 4 2010, 05:56 PM
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Saw this article today. Thought it was pretty rad. Glad to see people using their huge fortunes to help people:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38556042/ns/us_news-giving/
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post Aug 4 2010, 06:21 PM
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It is good to see that there are people who are trying to bring about a change in the world.


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post Aug 4 2010, 09:16 PM
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If this will ever work, it'll be the greatest thing in the 20th&21th century in my eyes! Our world is so unfair, there are so many talented people out there, who live in conditions which are not humane. This would be such a great sign, really to change our world!


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post Aug 4 2010, 11:40 PM
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this would be amazing truly.


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post Aug 5 2010, 12:36 PM
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I am glad that it will help someone, but I wouldn't trust this guys, especially Bill! wink.gif


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post Aug 5 2010, 12:51 PM
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Well as a liberal when it comes to economy, I must say that I don't believe in anything like this to work. It is proven time and time again that by giving money to somebody, You make him poorer, not richer. The more help one gets, the more dependent on the help he becomes, and in conclusion the more help he needs.

There is no way of feeding Africa, no matter how many fish we send there, we must teach how to fish. As the old proverb says "You give man a fish and You feed him for a day, You teach man to fish, and You feed him for a lifetime".

Besides competition and inequality brought us much good. Just the same as there is much more energy in a waterfall, than it is in a calm pond, the same applies to human beings. Because of the energy we develop, and nowadays a beggar on the New York street eats often better meals than a kings family in the dark ages.


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post Aug 5 2010, 04:58 PM
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I agree on you Marek, but I think if the right charity people get this money, a lot of work would be made easier...all the people you sent in third world countries could be educated better to help the poor people. Maybe it'll be easier to work with them, if you don't have to always use the cheapest material, because you can't afford anything other.
And what you want to express with your proverb: I think there is microfinances (hope this is an English word!)! In my eyes, to realize your idea, the most efficient way is the use of microfinances.

Ah, I'd really want to discuss more on this topic, but my English vocabulary is not rich enough to precise my ideas -.-"


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post Aug 5 2010, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Aug 5 2010, 06:51 AM) *
Well as a liberal when it comes to economy, I must say that I don't believe in anything like this to work. It is proven time and time again that by giving money to somebody, You make him poorer, not richer. The more help one gets, the more dependent on the help he becomes, and in conclusion the more help he needs.

There is no way of feeding Africa, no matter how many fish we send there, we must teach how to fish. As the old proverb says "You give man a fish and You feed him for a day, You teach man to fish, and You feed him for a lifetime".


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QUOTE (Vasilije Vukmirovic @ Aug 5 2010, 06:36 AM) *
I am glad that it will help someone, but I wouldn't trust this guys, especially Bill! wink.gif


Bill has been pretty good about this, has long had a foundation, he is one setting an example for the rest of the filthy rich.

Here is the list of the most charitable countries. While the US gives the most, we are only 20th in terms of per capita contributions. Sweden is #1. It seems that northern Europe tends to have the most charitable populations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_...table_countries

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post Aug 7 2010, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE (Vasilije Vukmirovic @ Aug 5 2010, 12:36 PM) *
I am glad that it will help someone, but I wouldn't trust this guys, especially Bill! wink.gif

yeah, you have to wonder what's behind it


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post Aug 7 2010, 04:21 PM
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We don't get anything conservative nor liberal in Poland, all our media are in the clutches of socialists, we just have different socialists here - anti abortion socialists, pro abortion socialists, anti and pro drug socialists etc.etc.

And I don't have time for eastern proverbs, there are always plenty to contradict each other. Actually the fish proverb is from Zen philosophy. It does not says that giving a fish is bad, it just don't solve anything.


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post Aug 9 2010, 08:52 PM
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I don't want to sound pessimistic or paranoid, but this doesn't sound right to me. There is certainly some higher stakes here than simply giving to charity. If someone is trying to "give" billions of their own worth to someone else, there must be interest, huge interest involved. The fact that they are combining they efforts is even more suspicious. In the end, to stay positive, I really, really hope it will help those that really need help.


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