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Tone Knob - Useful or useless?
How often do you use the tone knob on your guitar?
All the time, can't live without it [ 7 ] ** [24.14%]
Occasionally, whenever the moods strikes [ 9 ] ** [31.03%]
Never, would rather have a bottle opener in its spot [ 13 ] ** [44.83%]
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Mudbone
post Aug 13 2010, 09:39 AM
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So how many of you out there actually utilize the tone knob? Or are you all like me and just keep it cranked?


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post Aug 13 2010, 09:59 AM
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I use it quite a lot, tone can be a bit harsh if it's just cranked all the way specially on cleans. Bridge pup, massive distortion, well, no big difference if you fiddle with it - do it in post section (eq). I never had a guitar without one but I think I could get used to it and just accept that it's not there.


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post Aug 13 2010, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE (emirb @ Aug 13 2010, 04:59 AM) *
I use it quite a lot, tone can be a bit harsh if it's just cranked all the way specially on cleans. Bridge pup, massive distortion, well, no big difference if you fiddle with it - do it in post section (eq). I never had a guitar without one but I think I could get used to it and just accept that it's not there.


So do you use it with single coils or humbuckers? Or both?


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post Aug 13 2010, 12:06 PM
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Never ever use it or need it, in fact I plan to remove them from most of my guitars or just unsolder them and keep the knobs as dummys for looks as I don't want any holes in my guitars...

I always have the tone cranked up and for cleans I turn down the volume and adjust my pickuing instead of fiddling with a tone knob!


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post Aug 13 2010, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Aug 13 2010, 07:06 AM) *
Never ever use it or need it, in fact I plan to remove them from most of my guitars or just unsolder them and keep the knobs as dummys for looks as I don't want any holes in my guitars...

I always have the tone cranked up and for cleans I turn down the volume and adjust my pickuing instead of fiddling with a tone knob!


Marcus Siepen has a video where he demonstrates how to turn the tone knob into a gradual coil tap, you should check it out if you haven't already.


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post Aug 13 2010, 01:33 PM
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For metal I put it all the way up and when I'm practising example Superstitious solo, I turn it down.
So all the time happy.gif


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post Aug 13 2010, 02:34 PM
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It depends on the other gear and style of music IME. If you have a good responsive amp behind you, it's good to have volume and tone controls on the guitar, it can mean a lot. This doesn't mean it's needed, you can use pedals, amp's EQ etc. Style of music is important as well. On high gain settings, I don't find the tone control that much useful, amp's EQ can be more useful there. High gain is compressed, and for metal styles there is little room for dynamics, so using one tone setting will do.
I usually start a gig with volume and tone settings set to 7, so I can have a boost or more overdrive for solos, if I don't use any pedals or boosters. This way I can crank the amp, and control the amount of overdrive and a bit of brightness on the go. If I use booster/footswitch for the amp, there is little need for it. Possibly tweaking the sound a bit when the gig starts so it comes out a bit darker/brighter, depending on what I hear.


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post Aug 13 2010, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE (Mudbone @ Aug 13 2010, 11:22 AM) *
So do you use it with single coils or humbuckers? Or both?


Well, if it's tone with not much gain then I often go for it and try to 'check' the tonal range of that particular sound if I fiddle with the tone knob. Important to remember is that the standard strat-type tone control is a very simple low-pass filter where you change the 'threshold' so to speak. By that I mean it's not in any way good way to manipulate tone, it's passive, way too simple in order to 'add' to the overall tone. For recording it's 'smarter' to use more advanced filtering section (in order not to degrade the quality of the signal). Also once you filter this when recording with the tone knob you can never restore these frequencies. You might wish to have them later when you mix. When performing live it can be more useful IMO.


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post Aug 13 2010, 03:56 PM
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I wish I was good enough to notice a difference in my tone when I adjust my tone knob...but I just don't hear a difference.


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post Aug 13 2010, 04:24 PM
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I never use it, already have enough knobs on my stomps and multi-fx laugh.gif


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post Aug 13 2010, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE (Fran @ Aug 13 2010, 04:24 PM) *
I never use it, already have enough knobs on my stomps and multi-fx laugh.gif


laugh.gif That was what I did for years, then I realised I only ever used a couple of settings - now I'm just too lazy to stomp on pedals so I'll tweak my vol/tone knobs before thinking about using my feet.
In fact, with the advent of decent guitar modelling software, I won't even go that far; a few mouse clicks is about the limit of my effort to get tone nowadays. I've just become so lackadaisical... *yawn*


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post Aug 13 2010, 07:58 PM
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I roll it back a lot of times to get a nice creamy solo tone..

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post Aug 13 2010, 11:38 PM
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I rarely use tone control, but still use it sometimes depending on the playing, mostly just cleaning up playing clean tone.

Mostly I enjoy using and rolling volume control when playing like at the beginning leading into a rock song, starting of lighter or even off can be a real kick start! Metallica does this a lot in their songs and fading out.

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post Aug 14 2010, 12:18 AM
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Have to say I suffer from having started off with seriously crap guitars. - My first electric had such low output that it sounded terrible without everything up full, (sounded terrible anyway), so since then I have always kind of had this habit of turning everything up full.

That is, until recently when I picked up a used, (well battered but still playing beautifully) mexican strat at a tianguis in Mexico DF.

This strat has a tone/volume mod where the top end rolls off as you turn up the volume control, I've seen it called the treble bleed capacitor mod on a web page. It's designed to offset the loss in top end as you turn the volume down, but on this guitar, turning up beyond 6 it seems to roll off top end without really that much increase in volume when played into overdrive, which maybe the previous owner liked, in order to go from a bright clean sound to a well warm saturated sound just using the volume.

As for me now I find I leave it around 6, but I'm amazed at the range of sounds out of this guitar, having played so many where anything other than full/full/full didn't make much sense. Anybody who gets to start out with good instuments is sooo lucky!

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post Aug 14 2010, 12:29 AM
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Mine locks in a middle position, where i suppose it has no effect. And there it stays 100% of the time. smile.gif
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It's very useful on Active mics. The full position of the tone knob gives a warm sound that is so needed on active mics.


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Wow I'm actually surprised many don't use it! I thought people wouldn't use them much, yeah... but not at all?

Your'll notice people like Slash muck around with them at the beginning.
Yet I never really bothered to find out how to use them till just not so long ago.

Lower volume slightly for playing rhythm, then roll it up to max to really kick in the lead solos. This is the biggest and easiest boost to playing I've found.

With the tone pots... honestly most tone pots do suck, stock ones for any guitar almost alway start killing the tone when turned down. Even in my Les Paul Gibson, I replaced the stock ones.

The best way to change the tone is...

Tone pot replacement:
250K pot is warmer and smooth sounding
500K pot is brighter and fuller sounding

The tone change make it's brighter or darker sounding. Also can cut off minor treble and buzz.

My Les Paul Gibson has a large range of tone (bright / screaming), sounds totally different lowering them (dark / bassy).
The stock tone pots did very little... but still had a range.

However, if I had more knowledge about it then,
I suggest going for the Stellartone Tonestyler Tone pot:


These are truely what is needed if you want to use the tone pots!

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Never use it. In general I don't like how it makes my guitar sound unless its all the way up, And anything that it does do that I do like, I can always replicate with some pedal I have.

So basically, I would rather have some kind laser rifle mounted there. For taking out the guy who sits near the stage and criticizes every guitar player that hits the stage.
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QUOTE (Artemus @ Aug 13 2010, 08:30 PM) *
laugh.gif That was what I did for years, then I realised I only ever used a couple of settings - now I'm just too lazy to stomp on pedals so I'll tweak my vol/tone knobs before thinking about using my feet.


laugh.gif I guess I'll have to give it a try then wink.gif


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post Aug 14 2010, 06:23 PM
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I used to not use it, but I've been using it recently. I like to give it a mello tone every once in a while.


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