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post Aug 20 2010, 01:35 AM
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I'm on the hunt for a new amp, or actually a new pre-amp. I'm quite pleased with my poweramp and cab, but anyhuu..
Problem is that all the pre-amps i want cost a FORTUNE!

Then i came across the Engl E530 for around 480€ on thomann..
Reviews are good and soundclips sounds awesome, but do anyone here have any first-hand experience with one?

Was looking at the Engl E570, but 1200€ is a bit steep right now smile.gif


Not a big fan of the Engl website, but here's the productinfo they've got: http://www.engl-amps.com/e530.html

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I haven't heard or played the 530 but I heard a guy playing some petrucci stuff on a rack with 570 which sounded alright...

Don't buy anything from ENGL if you haven't played it before! People either love or hate Engl amps (I hate them form most parts) because they have a very modern and cold sound to them!


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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Aug 20 2010, 02:56 AM) *
I haven't heard or played the 530 but I heard a guy playing some petrucci stuff on a rack with 570 which sounded alright...

Don't buy anything from ENGL if you haven't played it before! People either love or hate Engl amps (I hate them form most parts) because they have a very modern and cold sound to them!


Apparently the 530 and 570 sounds somewhat identical, only 570 having quite a few more options.
Problem is that there's no stores carrying engl's around here, so hard to try one out.

I love my Marshall JMP-1, but it's not exactly the worlds most versatile amp.. and i need something new and fresh smile.gif
The JMP-1 is also very uncooperative with my pedals and fx.

Any alternative ideas?

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Ah, so that's a preamp. I had wondered what those were. Anybody: how would one of these hook to things physically? I guess you have a line-in cable hooked from this straight to the mic jack? Right now I have this set up: guitar>pedal>amp>computer. the line-in cable goes from my headphone jack to the mic jack. That's only line out my amp has unfortunately. So with this setup, where would a preamp go? Anybody can answer. smile.gif Thanks.


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QUOTE (thefireball @ Aug 20 2010, 03:05 AM) *
Ah, so that's a preamp. I had wondered what those were. Anybody: how would one of these hook to things physically? I guess you have a line-in cable hooked from this straight to the mic jack? Right now I have this set up: guitar>pedal>amp>computer. the line-in cable goes from my headphone jack to the mic jack. That's only line out my amp has unfortunately. So with this setup, where would a preamp go? Anybody can answer. smile.gif Thanks.


A pre-amp is usually connected to a poweramp and then into a cabinet/speaker.
Most preamps comes with emulated outputs, meaning they emulate the sound from a cabinet so to speak.. This output can be connected straight into a soundcard/mixer. But if you connect the main output to a soundcard it will just sound awful.

My current setup is guitar>Preamp->Ordinary Output->3RFX Cabinet simulator>Soundcard.
I used the emulated-output into my soundcard for years.. but i found using a good external cab-simulator does more for my sound.

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I am not an expert on this whole rack-building thing, I like to keep things simple and my signal chain as short as possible...
As for pre-amps there is only one thing to go for that can do it all:

MESA BOOGIE TRIAXIS

Amazing tone, endless possibilities and way too expensive (outside the USA).
I wouldn't bother with anything else (since I suspect this is the one you want anyways^^) and save some money, maybe sell some other gear and try to get one used or import one from the United States...


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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Aug 20 2010, 03:16 AM) *
I am not an expert on this whole rack-building thing, I like to keep things simple and my signal chain as short as possible...
As for pre-amps there is only one thing to go for that can do it all:

MESA BOOGIE TRIAXIS

Amazing tone, endless possibilities and way too expensive (outside the USA).
I wouldn't bother with anything else (since I suspect this is the one you want anyways^^) and save some money, maybe sell some other gear and try to get one used or import one from the United States...



Heh, you guessed right smile.gif I would kill for a Triaxis.


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I know Mesa Boogie is pretending to be a Boutique amp company outside the US...
They sell the Triaxis over here for 2800 Euros while it only costs ~1500 Euros in the USA! You could try to get one from the US but that would add shipping and import taxes to the price and you would also need a power converter but I guess all in all that would still be cheaper than a new one from Thomann...


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Wow, there's so much here I don't know. I need to be educated on it. tongue.gif you know, how this cabinet and preamp stuff works. Dang, I guess I'll have to learn as I go.


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Well fireball you can go buy an amp and you will get a unit with a built in preamp (where the tone is created) and a poweramp (where the tone is amplified) and connect it to a speakercabinet.
You can also buy preamps and poweramps seperately and put them in a rack along with some effects to *create* you own amp... It's pretty interesting because there are so many possible combinations of pre and poweramps and all of them will result in diffrent tones!


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You should check out the Peavey Rockmaster, if you can actually manage to get your hands on one. They were made for a while back in the early 90's, but were discontinued. Funny how Peavey always discontinues their good stuff. Anyways, this preamp sounds HUGE to say the least.

Below are some sound clips of this preamp, mind you the first one has been modded by none other than FJA Mods, but nonetheless it should give you an idea as to what the gain structure sounds like.







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The Rockmaster is legendary!!!
My friends older brother used to own one a few years back and I loved the sound he got out of it!


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QUOTE (Mudbone @ Aug 20 2010, 03:50 AM) *
You should check out the Peavey Rockmaster, if you can actually manage to get your hands on one. They were made for a while back in the early 90's, but were discontinued. Funny how Peavey always discontinues their good stuff. Anyways, this preamp sounds HUGE to say the least.

Below are some sound clips of this preamp, mind you the first one has been modded by none other than FJA Mods, but nonetheless it should give you an idea as to what the gain structure sounds like.






Wow.. never heard of the Rockmaster before huh.gif
Thats pretty much the sound i'm after. Hi-gain punch, but with a classic feel.
None on ebay as of now though sad.gif


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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Aug 19 2010, 09:55 PM) *
The Rockmaster is legendary!!!
My friends older brother used to own one a few years back and I loved the sound he got out of it!


That would explain why they're difficult to find nowadays, nobody wants to let go of them smile.gif


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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Aug 19 2010, 08:36 PM) *
Well fireball you can go buy an amp and you will get a unit with a built in preamp (where the tone is created) and a poweramp (where the tone is amplified) and connect it to a speakercabinet.
You can also buy preamps and poweramps seperately and put them in a rack along with some effects to *create* you own amp... It's pretty interesting because there are so many possible combinations of pre and poweramps and all of them will result in diffrent tones!


nice idea. smile.gif but what is this speakercabinet stuff you are talking about? huh.gif I'm willing to experiment. cuz my tone is still not what i want it to be. I can almost hear it sometimes, but can't get it. I actually think the sound coming from my amp sounds awesome, but i can't transfer that to the rich computer sound. The easy way out would be the expensive microphone pointed at the amp, but that's not the quality I want. I want top quality - or at least better than I'm getting now. biggrin.gif


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I think I would seriously consider the Tech 21 Sansamp PSA1.1 Preamplifier smile.gif
Great pre-amp in my opinion, and not too expensive either!

I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard samples from various sources and all have been good smile.gif
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I saw some demos for the E530 from ENGL,

I'm liking the clear metal tone!



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QUOTE (audiopaal @ Aug 20 2010, 11:20 AM) *
I think I would seriously consider the Tech 21 Sansamp PSA1.1 Preamplifier smile.gif
Great pre-amp in my opinion, and not too expensive either!

I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard samples from various sources and all have been good smile.gif


Great tip! Thanks smile.gif
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FWIW I've had a 530 for about 3 years now (though it's currently out on loan to a friend).

From memory - Engl describe it as a 'modern rock' pre-amp. It's an Engl though and so you need to like and want the Engl type voicing albeit that it has some versatility. I'd say that the hi-gain section which is most characteristic of the Engl sound albeit perhaps not as brutal as a powerball. Whilst it can go hi gain I don't find it quite as sharp as some other Engls but it's not as mellow (if that's the right way to describe it wink.gif ) as a Blackmore and it can doa good Mesa Triaxis attempt. What it also has is a nice, almost crystal/glass like clean channel. The clean responds very well to sitting a good OD pedal in front of it and as such goes nicely in to saturated over drive and TBH does this better than the OD section of the pre-amp. In essence it can cover a wide range of territory from country and jazz through blues to rock and on to hi-gain - with the mid ground of blues being IMO the weaker part if you don't use any pedals. Generally the amp is 'organic' and responds well to player dynamics.

It's always worth remembering that a pre-amp can alter somewhat depending on the power amp it's connected to. Mine isn't as it's for recording only but if I remember correctly a lot of people go in to VHT cabs and are happy.

Recording wise (it's a recording pre-amp rather than a standard pre): you can line out to a console or a pc audio device as it has a speaker soak. It's not that authentic though and a better option would be to run it via a proper speaker load. It probably is good enough hoever so that some EQ and maybe re-amping would get you to a very near sound of it going in to a power amp and cab.

Build quality is fine, particularly given the price, and I've not had any warranty issues. Controls are basic - if you want versatility here you should look at a 580 or a 570. Headphone amp is weak. The manual is very poor.

Overall for 4-500 Euros there is not a lot to compare it with that is still in production and IMO a 530 can hold its own again much more expensive pre-amps.


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Aug 21 2010, 04:29 PM) *
FWIW I've had a 530 for about 3 years now (though it's currently out on loan to a friend).

From memory - Engl describe it as a 'modern rock' pre-amp. It's an Engl though and so you need to like and want the Engl type voicing albeit that it has some versatility. I'd say that the hi-gain section which is most characteristic of the Engl sound albeit perhaps not as brutal as a powerball. Whilst it can go hi gain I don't find it quite as sharp as some other Engls but it's not as mellow (if that's the right way to describe it wink.gif ) as a Blackmore and it can doa good Mesa Triaxis attempt. What it also has is a nice, almost crystal/glass like clean channel. The clean responds very well to sitting a good OD pedal in front of it and as such goes nicely in to saturated over drive and TBH does this better than the OD section of the pre-amp. In essence it can cover a wide range of territory from country and jazz through blues to rock and on to hi-gain - with the mid ground of blues being IMO the weaker part if you don't use any pedals. Generally the amp is 'organic' and responds well to player dynamics.

It's always worth remembering that a pre-amp can alter somewhat depending on the power amp it's connected to. Mine isn't as it's for recording only but if I remember correctly a lot of people go in to VHT cabs and are happy.

Recording wise (it's a recording pre-amp rather than a standard pre): you can line out to a console or a pc audio device as it has a speaker soak. It's not that authentic though and a better option would be to run it via a proper speaker load. It probably is good enough hoever so that some EQ and maybe re-amping would get you to a very near sound of it going in to a power amp and cab.

Build quality is fine, particularly given the price, and I've not had any warranty issues. Controls are basic - if you want versatility here you should look at a 580 or a 570. Headphone amp is weak. The manual is very poor.

Overall for 4-500 Euros there is not a lot to compare it with that is still in production and IMO a 530 can hold its own again much more expensive pre-amps.


Thanks alot for that very descriptive review! smile.gif
It heightened my interest in the E530 by quite a lot actually.

I'm basically interested in something following these criterias:
Good for recording, nice pricetag, good clean and good higain channels. (Ûber-brutal gain is of little interest to me), plays well with external pedals.

And by that, I've narrowed my choices to either the E530 or the Sansamp now. (Sadly the Peavey Rockmaster is nowhere to be found).
Problem is that there's a distinctive difference in sound between those.. and i like both! But have to settle for one..

I dont really need the best of the best as i rarely play live. Basically I just need something to make good sounding demos at home and i just cant justify spending maybe 2000$ on an amp alone just for that with my current budget.

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