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kaznie_NL
post Aug 23 2010, 08:21 PM
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Hey guys!

I've recorded about 250699876265 takes on Satch's Always with me, Always with you, and now I think I've got the technical parts down. Now my problem is, I never can find the sound he has! Me tone is always so closed, medium, while his sound is openede up, screeming! I know it's in the fingers, of course it is, but could it be more then that. The gear? I use Pod Farm through a Line 6 Pod Studio GX and my Seymour Duncan pickup in the bridge of my Ibanez SA series guitar.

I now how you to pick harder, I use artificial harmonics as you can hear in the upload, but still it won't scream! I need some serious tone help with this, please give your advice! Is it possible to sound a bit closer to him with pod farm? I feel like my effort in playing this hasn't got much result when the tone is so boring tongue.gif

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post Aug 23 2010, 09:03 PM
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Look for some compression first in the signal chain, you can make screaming tones in podfarm just as anything else. I don't remember what the default podfarm pack came with but there must be at least ONE compressor stomp (blue comp and vetta comp?).

You rewired to put a ... what, in your bridge? Is it a paf joe (or fred?) or was it an evo? It should scream just fine if you boost that outgoing signal after the noisegate (if any) and before the OD (if any) and amp.

What amp model are you using, what eq settings on it, are you using super-old strings? Anything else we should know?

EDIT: ok, my memory of your pickup replacement is totally wrong it seems. What SD pickup did you put in your bridge? a duncan JB should be "juicy" enough for his tone. I have those here.

I think the compressor will be the beginning of your solution.

EDIT2: Actually, I kinda like your tone better than Joe's here. His was a little scoopy and fizzy to my (disclaimer: damaged) ears. Yours seems more balanced to me. What are you doing for reverb and delay?

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post Aug 23 2010, 09:11 PM
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(Satch is not using modeling equipment but real amps)

















Enough with the rant, I don't think it's the setting so much it is the fingers that make your guitar scream!



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post Aug 23 2010, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Aug 23 2010, 03:11 PM) *
(Satch is not using modeling equipment but real amps)




Enough with the rant, I don't think it's the setting so much it is the fingers that make your guitar scream!



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Watching him play that was a confirmation that I need to keep working on my Vibrato!!!


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post Aug 24 2010, 04:00 PM
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Thanks guys wink.gif Do you guys think my upload is youtube worhty? I've been busy with this song for long now and I'd love to put a cover on youtube wink.gif

This is the patch I used, never mind the weird letters tongue.gif
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post Aug 24 2010, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Aug 24 2010, 10:00 AM) *
Thanks guys wink.gif Do you guys think my upload is youtube worhty? I've been busy with this song for long now and I'd love to put a cover on youtube wink.gif

This is the patch I used, never mind the weird letters tongue.gif


Regarding the take, I'd want to tighten it up before displaying it on youtube for more than critique/feedback. There's still some discomfort in a few of those early phrases.

Regarding the tone, I'd make a few recommendations here:
- The screamer & JCM head are a good idea but the bass could be lowered 1 notch on the amp
- The cabinet and condenser mic are probably not the right idea. See about a modern cabinet model and the 57 mic (on or off axis)
- The chorus is not synched to tempo and will pass through zero at irregular times
- The chorus is set very deep and may want to have its depth knob rolled back some to avoid detuning

I assume Joe uses his own "satchurator" pedal for OD which might be better simulated by podfarm's "tube OD" model that's based on the old butler stomp. I'm not sure if you have that in your pack but take a look and give it a try if the cabinet change isn't enough. If you do that that change to the overdrive pedal, remember you're losing some of the mid color from the screamer so bump your mid knob up on the amp. The graphic EQ settings look okay to keep.

I think the cabinet change alone will be a HUGE help so try that first and leave the screamer model right where it is.

EDIT: ok, so I put on the album and listened to the tone there and made some changes to the preset you uploaded. This worked for my SA260 and my seymour duncan (JB, not the TB4 though). In order to save in podfarm 1.x I had to remove a compressor stomp from the FRONT of the signal chain. You can see it in the preset that is in podfarm2.x format, hollar if you want a sample recording.

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Attached File  joe_satch_for_duncan_pickups_podfarm2x.l6t ( 2.89K ) Number of downloads: 193


NOTE: I'm pretty sure you have the models I used in the podfarm1.x preset. You might not have the delay that I chose for podfarm2.x preset, it's ping-pong delay.

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post Aug 29 2010, 09:32 PM
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Thanks man! I have pod farm 1, so I can't open the 2x version, but the 1x works! i've added a noise gate, but I can't add a stomp compressor, I don't have that one smile.gif So I added the standard compressor, but I can't put that in front of the amp sad.gif Let's see if this works wink.gif


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post Aug 29 2010, 09:46 PM
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Wonderful take! I actually love the tone! I'll let the tone masters do the talking. wink.gif


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