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post Aug 30 2010, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE (maharzan @ Aug 30 2010, 07:55 AM) *
I don't think worrying too much about illegal distribution is healthy. Its the truth and its bound to happen, no matter what you do. Companies make big softwares, and very next month, its cracked. So, this will go on and on. You can only think of better ways to promote it.. or say sell more so the piracy doesn't bother you. I mean thats what happens in Film industries. They are making billions so if they lose a million, its really not a big deal. People tend to prefer watching movies in theatres than buying DVDs. Come to our streets, you will see every blockbuster movie DVDs pirated. smile.gif But then does that bother the film producers? I highly doubt.


A bit OT but I'll bite.

Whilst it may happen that does not make it right.

The film industry does worry about piracy a great deal. They've been running anti-pirating adverts for decades and in the UK and USA and actively pursue and prosecute pirates. Film production companies make a substantial part of their income from home DVD sales. One big Hollywood film production company went to the wall very recently despite having a good portfolio of successful major film releases at the theatres. Reason - DVD piracy had eroded its DVD sales so much. So carry on believing that piracy doesn't matter but the reality is rather different.

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post Aug 30 2010, 01:25 PM
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It might be tony.. but really can anyone stop it? I am just arguing that if you search around for other sources of income then piracy really doesn't matter literally. I have a business it does the same thing. I have seen content from my business on illegal downloads but its just so fraction of the price we offer that most people just think its really better to buy than get those illegal downloads. We offer support which is the best part. So, we really don't care about it or even think how to prevent those illegal downloads. It just takes so much time to think and preventing is rather impossible.

So, the reason is if you make $100 and loose $80, it will affect. If you make $1000 and lose $80, it really doesn't make much of a difference. smile.gif You are still at the advantage of $920 than just $20. Thats my point of view. Probably the example you gave lay in the first category. smile.gif

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post Aug 30 2010, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (maharzan @ Aug 30 2010, 12:25 PM) *
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So, the reason is if you make $100 and loose $80, it will affect. If you make $1000 and lose $80, it really doesn't make much of a difference. smile.gif You are still at the advantage of $920 than just $20. Thats my point of view. Probably the example you gave lay in the first category. smile.gif

We can always debate.. and I like it.. haha. wink.gif


To that micro economic analysis you really should look at the clearing point as well as the volume to sales price. Whilst the clearing point is different from market to market and indeed product to product it is such that wrt film production that the potential lost sales due to piracy for large production houses is such that many cannot achieve clearance for a lot of their portfolio dvd home sales. As that is a significant income stream one has already gone to the wall and others may well follow. Net result for you the consumer is that there will be fewer films made.


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post Aug 30 2010, 03:26 PM
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So GMC policy is to deliver worse product (without backing tracks for download) in order to decrease it's illegal file sharing? Great idea dry.gif


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post Aug 30 2010, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Aug 30 2010, 02:26 PM) *
So GMC policy is to deliver worse product (without backing tracks for download) in order to decrease it's illegal file sharing? Great idea dry.gif


Not sure how you get this conclusion as I don't think there has been any thing said here official or otherwise about 'GMC policy'.


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post Aug 30 2010, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Aug 30 2010, 10:26 AM) *
So GMC policy is to deliver worse product (without backing tracks for download) in order to decrease it's illegal file sharing? Great idea dry.gif


So GMC is delivering the worst product simply because you can't download backing tracks? I have been on GMC for over 3 years, and I have never been able to download a backing track and it hasn't impeded my practing a single bit.

Yes it would be nice, if in a perfect world, we could all download backing tracks and have no risk or loss of business for the site - But honestly its not a huge obstacle to overcome in the first place.
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post Aug 30 2010, 04:50 PM
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It is for me The Uncreator. I asked a backing track from a instructor who isn't active now and I never got it. So, I learnt to rip them off myself. smile.gif

Anyway, rules are rules, we cannot break them. The only point I am making is if somebody want to share it not that difficult. Why are you guys thinking if its not downloadable it won't be shared illegally? I saw it one of the torrent sites already. I think its not winning on both sides. Like its not being able to prevent illegal downloads plus its not making it easy on the members.

I will call this off. Not useful discussion as Kris has his final say and its his site. I tried suggesting MTP but at last it was cut off. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (maharzan @ Aug 30 2010, 11:50 AM) *
It is for me The Uncreator. I asked a backing track from a instructor who isn't active now and I never got it. So, I learnt to rip them off myself. smile.gif


How does this impede your practing? You still have access to the backing track on whatever lesson it is. It may be an inconvenience to some degree but you act as if it completely prevents you from practicing the lesson.

Also, openly admitting to ripping of a GMC instructor probably wasn't a good move on your part.
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post Aug 30 2010, 05:15 PM
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Never knew worst and worse are the same word.


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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Aug 30 2010, 05:15 PM) *
Never knew worst and worse are the same word.

They aren't the same word.


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Actually I know that, still Uncreator read mine "So GMC policy is to deliver worse product" and answered "So GMC is delivering the worst (...) ?". And mine terribly inappropriate and blatantly cynical post was answer to this smallish misunderstanding.


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If you are wise enough to know the difference between two words, than I can only hope you have the power of inference and are able to look at both words in there context and infer that they are referencing the same thing.

Then again, I can only hope.

So forgive my grammatical errors of mixing the letters "t" and "e", Like I said before, I assume one can infer.


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I have no time nor am I willing to waste our precious time on such not important matter. Still I don't think that it is hard to imagine, that multiple times easier access to backing tracks, would make GMC a "better product as a whole". If that statement is true, than the statement that by not granting such access makes the product worser than it could be.

PS: I thought about grammatical error, but assumed that "the" word, before the word "worst" implied usage of the "highest adjective degree" (or whatever is it called properly).

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There is no doubt that having backing tracks available would be better but I wouldn't say it impacts enough to warrant a change. It doesn't in my opinion mean it is a worse product. Like The Uncreator I've been here a long time and never had a problem and would prefer it to be this way unless a way was implemented that couldn't be pirated with ease. There is no doubt of the damage that piracy does. Just look at all the companies going bankrupt and just like Tony said with MGM going. That isn't a small company. They own the James Bond licence and many other huge licenses.


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I agree that its not a necessary discussion.

All I was trying to say is that stating that GMC is delivering a bad product of any kind simply because the BT's aren't downloadable is a bit excessive. And, that I don't think that the lack of the aforementioned is really as troublesome as its being made out to be. I do also agree it would make the "product" better as a whole.

But at the same time I don't think the lack of BT's makes the "product" "more worse" per se, which is what you were trying to say I believe - And which is understandable and a valid point of view.
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Awesome burning guys. Still though, file sharing is already possible as we all have access to backing tracks - it's just limited! What if every member on GMC were to fileshare the two or three backings he had? You don't need free access to start piracy, if this is what you're afraid of, you might as well remove indirect access to backing tracks via instructor PM's. Oh wait, then the REC programme goes kaput...

I am fully aware of GMC's concern about piracy. HOWEVER, there must be a faster way to access backing tracks than what is currently happening. File sharing is already possible, and if it hasn't already happened (according to you) then why would it happen if you make it free? Do you only trust active members? In that case, what about a password-protected section with active MTP/REC-using GMC'ers? I would consider that to be a viable option.

Remember, piracy is already possible; expanding the availability of backing tracks won't change this! Downloading lessons may be worse, but then again, that's a matter of luxury, and not necessity (MTP/REC). Make sense? Please read this post of mine if you haven't already done so.

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So in theory we could just send a message to an instructor asking for all his backing tracks? Where do we draw the line? I mean personally It takes a lot of will and motivation for me to record a video, and having a hard time with school and studying, there are very few times when I have enough energy to record videos etc. When I have to adapt that already rare time to instructors who are sometimes inactive, I really hope the system is going to be changed.

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I understand that being able to download everything would make it easy to share illegally etc. BUT we are already ABLE to do so with the few files that we do have. In other words, this argument is irrelevant. Moreoever, tabs and GuitarPro files are already available for download, so why do we not do the same for backing tracks? What if some nutbag just downloaded all the GP files and redistributed everything on some site? Either the management hasn't considered the similarity between downloadable GP-files and backing tracks and will make it all moderated because of this post, or somebody should start considering this aspect.

People like me find it very hard to adapt their recording rhythm to the availability of instructors all over the world. I think backing tracks should be more accessible, maybe even entire lessons (although these aren't already moderately downloadable).


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I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I feel fairly confident it probably has. Still, REC isn't a wide database of all the lessons - I cannot speak for Kris but if they were all free then a single member could distribute all of them quite easily, and we wouldn't really know it.

So maybe this is less prevention, and more a limitation on the amount of BT and other content distributed through filesharing, torrents etc.

Just some thoughts, like I said, I cannot speak for the man himself. smile.gif
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Wow ok, I didn't think it was such a big deal...

We all know 'game protections' are just punishment and hassles for those that legally purchase the game (key, online activations, decyptions, requires cd to play, call online support because its not working) rather than leeching and cracking it (one file copy and replaced). Not saying it's right, but it's where the world seems to be heading. All because they where scaried it would be copied and they will lose money, they spend a fortune on trying to protect it, just to have it cracked the next day anyways...

Attempts to 'file share' the GMC forum, all the helpful guitarist and super cool instructors advice! I'm gonna need a bigger hard drive!

Yeah, sure... I guess there will always be priated content, but this website offers something a bit more than that, a service, if people can't see that, well they are missing out big time! That can never be priated.

Even if content leaked, if it was watermarked with GMC and the website URL, just a small part of the big collection, I think it would just become more like free advertising for this great service. If people really wanted to pirate it, no matter the protection or limitations in place, they would find a way and it would of probably been already done?

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I figure that Kris should do whatever makes sense for him, to maximize his profits.

There is so much good in this site, there is no need to nit pick complaints. I have not been impeded by any restrictions here in any serious way.
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This is by no means a complaint to GMC, it was mearly a suggestion - I respect if it's not an option and I can deal with it. If I have anything to complain about it is the limitations and restrictions of my ISP. I have pretty bad monthly internet caps. Streaming videos gobbles that bandwidth up quickly. Half the month I can't enjoy GMC, which I normally daily visit. sad.gif


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