2 Pages V   1 2 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Should I Begin Practicing Something Beyond My Level?, Mate Nagy's "Killer Pentatonics: Zakk Wylde Style"
Mudbone
post Aug 30 2010, 11:20 AM
Post #1


Learning Apprentice Player
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.750
Joined: 6-May 10
From: Charlotte, NC (residence)/Boston, MA (home) USA
Member No.: 10.329



I really want to learn how to play Mate Nagy's "Killer Pentatonics: Zakk Wylde Style", but its at level 7, and I'm at level 3 to 4. Should I work my way up to it, or should I get working on it right now? All advice is much appreciated smile.gif


--------------------


He who laughs last thinks slowest.

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens


Gear:

Guitars: Uncle Rufus' Twanger Classic
Amps: Mississippi Boom Box
Mojo: Hammer of Odin and a pair of Ox gonads
Inspiration: Samuel Adams Boston Lager

Zero to Hero: 1,387/10,000

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Rik Veldhuizen
post Aug 30 2010, 11:51 AM
Post #2


Learning Rock Star
*

Group: Members
Posts: 253
Joined: 27-July 07
From: Netherlands
Member No.: 2.420



Not sure whether it helps (I'm not an instructor nor very experienced smile.gif ), but I think I'm in the same boat as you are on this (level 3-4 (when I'm lucky smile.gif ) and want to get this lesson (lvl 7) done. For me, it helps to just start with this lesson, but do it more slowly. Just to get the hang of the movements and hand synching. First backing track is slower, may be first work yr way up to that one, than take the next bt?

This post has been edited by Rik Veldhuizen: Aug 30 2010, 11:51 AM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Vasilije Vukmiro...
post Aug 30 2010, 12:32 PM
Post #3


Jazz Instructor
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 2.691
Joined: 1-October 08
From: Belgrade
Member No.: 6.012



Well, generally it's not good idea to that far but...
You can work on it, if you practice systematically... and give your self lots of time to get into it... It can be very productive, because it's challenge... You start playing it slowly then over months, you will get comfortable at near-the-100% speed.
It IS good idea, if you work systematically.


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
jafomatic
post Aug 30 2010, 12:33 PM
Post #4


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.049
Joined: 6-May 09
From: Austin, TX
Member No.: 7.145



+1 for Rik's advice. I've felt for a long while now that it's always a good idea to keep at least one lesson/goal/something on your "plate" that is WAY above your level. It helped me greatly to keep such a goal to "check" against no matter what else I was working on, even if I wasn't striving for anything else in practice, just so that I had a measure of progress.

EDIT: Also, you're still obsessing over those level numbers. Those are entirely subjective and do not relate to the real world; you'll be doing yourself a favor to keep that in mind.

This post has been edited by jafomatic: Aug 30 2010, 12:34 PM


--------------------
::jafomatic


http://jafomatic.net/tunes/ <-- Here lies the master collection of my collaboration and other improvisation recordings.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Daniel Realpe
post Aug 30 2010, 04:38 PM
Post #5


Instructor
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 5.655
Joined: 11-October 09
From: Bogota
Member No.: 7.694



I'd go for it...

that's why there are slower backing tracks,

you can always master the lesson on a slower tempo and memorize and then start working your way up,



--------------------
Visit my:
INSTRUCTOR PROFILE

"If a composer could say what he had to say in words he would not bother trying to say it in music."
Gustav Mahler


Subscribe to my Youtube Channel here
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SirJamsalot
post Aug 30 2010, 05:02 PM
Post #6


Learning Rock Star
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.226
Joined: 4-May 10
From: Bay Area, California
Member No.: 10.312



Go for it. It's actually a great lesson for building speed with pentatonics. One day, you'll get there, just start slow and work your way up!

Christian A.


--------------------
The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
My Band Forum: http://passionfly.site/chat

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ZakkWylde
post Aug 30 2010, 05:20 PM
Post #7


Learning Tone Master
Group Icon

Group: MVC
Posts: 3.185
Joined: 22-June 07
From: Germany
Member No.: 2.164



Those difficulty levels don't are not to be taken too seriously because it comes down to yourself and your playing!
I can play lvl 9 Metal lessons because I am a metalhead and I spent most of my time playing metal however I fail at lvl 4 or below jazz lessons because I have never played any Jazz stuff....

But in general I would say: YES, practice above your current level! Seek a challenge that you might not be able to master yet and give it a try. You can't improve your playing with great leaps if you don't force yourself to give it your all. Practicing what you can allready play will only get you so far...

This post has been edited by ZakkWylde: Aug 30 2010, 05:22 PM


--------------------


Gear:
- Jackson USA Select KV2 King V with EMG 81/85
- Gibson Les Paul Custom Arctic White with EMG 81/85
- Ibanez Rg 8527 J Custom 7-String with DiMarzio Evolution and Air Norton

- Peavey 6505+ head with Marshall 1960AV 4x12 cab
- Peavey Vypyr 30 Practice Amp
- Dunlop Crybaby From Hell, Maxon OD808, Boss TU-2, MXR CarbonCopy, ISP Decimator, MXR Custom Audio Electronics Booster

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Mudbone
post Aug 30 2010, 06:12 PM
Post #8


Learning Apprentice Player
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.750
Joined: 6-May 10
From: Charlotte, NC (residence)/Boston, MA (home) USA
Member No.: 10.329



Thank you everybody for your advice and encouragement, I'll get to work on this the beginning of September. So ZakkWylde, I noticed you have a guitar with the EMG X's, how do they compare to the regular ones?

This post has been edited by Mudbone: Aug 30 2010, 09:34 PM


--------------------


He who laughs last thinks slowest.

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens


Gear:

Guitars: Uncle Rufus' Twanger Classic
Amps: Mississippi Boom Box
Mojo: Hammer of Odin and a pair of Ox gonads
Inspiration: Samuel Adams Boston Lager

Zero to Hero: 1,387/10,000

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ZakkWylde
post Aug 30 2010, 06:26 PM
Post #9


Learning Tone Master
Group Icon

Group: MVC
Posts: 3.185
Joined: 22-June 07
From: Germany
Member No.: 2.164



Signature is prematurely updated^^
There are currently the standard 81/85s in the guitar but the x's are ordered...


--------------------


Gear:
- Jackson USA Select KV2 King V with EMG 81/85
- Gibson Les Paul Custom Arctic White with EMG 81/85
- Ibanez Rg 8527 J Custom 7-String with DiMarzio Evolution and Air Norton

- Peavey 6505+ head with Marshall 1960AV 4x12 cab
- Peavey Vypyr 30 Practice Amp
- Dunlop Crybaby From Hell, Maxon OD808, Boss TU-2, MXR CarbonCopy, ISP Decimator, MXR Custom Audio Electronics Booster

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
OrganisedConfusi...
post Aug 30 2010, 06:29 PM
Post #10


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 5.635
Joined: 29-November 07
From: Nottingham, UK
Member No.: 3.401



I wouldn't worry about level numbers. You should always have an objective of where you want to be bu you have to have milestones or goals to get to them. You need to always practice songs or techniques that are just above your level. If that Zakk Wylde lesson is just above your level then go for it but if it is far beyond then find something to practice that is in the middle of your current level and that. Then you'll reach the Zakk Wylde level in no time. No need to rush things.


--------------------
Gear
Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic
Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Azzaboi
post Aug 30 2010, 08:35 PM
Post #11


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.485
Joined: 23-March 09
From: New Zealand
Member No.: 6.965



I suggest playing at your own level, even below it to get a good grounding, but at least once every 1-3 day throw something hard into the mix. You can really learn by playing something just above your level, if it's insane then your'll have to bring it down or at least slow it down to where you can manage (create some new exercises to learn it or practice small sections). Also note a players skill level is never really a flat line, you might be awesome in one area but suck in another (focus most on which is hard for you).


--------------------


Play Games Arcade
Take a break, Play Games! Play the best free online flash games at Aaron's Game Zone like Bloons Tower Defense 4!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
emirb
post Sep 2 2010, 08:58 AM
Post #12


Experienced Tone Guru
*

Group: Members
Posts: 156
Joined: 23-May 10
From: Sweden
Member No.: 10.457



Just my opinion:
ALWAYS try something that pushes you to work harder. Don't do it in the same way as the stuff that are on your 'level'. Stuff that are on my 'level' I tend to play in the tempo almost right away after I memorize it. Stuff that is harder, I play slowly and analyze it a lot more in order to understand what makes it harder and what is that I don't know to do or do wrong. For instance right now I play some level 8 lessons on slower tempos everyday and don't bother even to raise it up to the tempo (yet). Just want to be sure that my brain doesn't need to tell me where to put the fingers and so. then when I feel that I 'know' how to play it, I can slowly start to increase the tempo..

Without these goals there is little to none progress, even less fun:)


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
maharzan
post Sep 2 2010, 11:42 AM
Post #13


Veteran Guitar Lord
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2.333
Joined: 2-May 09
From: Kathmandu
Member No.: 7.127



I agree... First, know what you want to improve.. Second, go and search the type of lesson you want and choose something that is challenging for you. smile.gif If its level 2, let be it. I couldn't do level 3 lesson when I first joined. Became frustrated all the time trying to record. Practiced weeks, recorded for straight 2 hours but still couldn't get 1 take that was worth showing. A lot comes with motivation and the feeling you want to do it no matter what. If I had given up then, I wouldn't have improved. smile.gif Yea, I practiced the same 30 sec lick over and over again from 2 weeks to 3 months, nothing else. Don't believe me but Andy James said he did the same thing, I saw a video posted by LickLibrary some days back. biggrin.gif

I did the same.. all this year I have been focusing on Alternate Picking stuff and every other lesson I have chose is challenging that previous one. Speed has been my focus as well. Right now, I am learning some sweeping. Although I have tried, I have never had successful sweeping done.. but as my AP has improved quite a lot, Sweeping seems to come a bit faster than I hoped. smile.gif

Good Luck man!

Things doesn't come faster.. It took me a year to somehow become better with AP, right/left hand sync. smile.gif Its still not perfect though.

This post has been edited by maharzan: Sep 2 2010, 11:45 AM


--------------------
Checkout my YouTube & my band Nissim's YouTube channels.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Keep_Rocking
post Sep 2 2010, 12:20 PM
Post #14


Learning Roadie
*

Group: Members
Posts: 136
Joined: 29-June 09
From: SC, Brazil
Member No.: 7.343



QUOTE (Mudbone @ Aug 30 2010, 07:20 AM) *
I really want to learn how to play Mate Nagy's "Killer Pentatonics: Zakk Wylde Style", but its at level 7, and I'm at level 3 to 4. Should I work my way up to it, or should I get working on it right now? All advice is much appreciated smile.gif


Hi Mudbone,
I guess everybody have similar opinions! Give I try in lessons of any level. I'm level 3 to 4 like you but I've been practicing different level lessons for more than one year. For exemple, this (level 9)https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...e-speedpicking/
is one of the lessons I practice almost everyday at 80 to 90 bpm as a warm-up (in different keys... wink.gif )
Btw, I just loved Mate Nagy's lesson. You can find similar licks in some Gabriel Leopardi's lessons.
Good luck!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
alvaroshredd
post Sep 2 2010, 01:28 PM
Post #15


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 59
Joined: 5-May 10
From: Madrid (Spain)
Member No.: 10.319



QUOTE (Mudbone @ Aug 30 2010, 10:20 AM) *
I really want to learn how to play Mate Nagy's "Killer Pentatonics: Zakk Wylde Style", but its at level 7, and I'm at level 3 to 4. Should I work my way up to it, or should I get working on it right now? All advice is much appreciated smile.gif


HI! mudbone i recently asked myself the same question what i do is working on only level 6 lessons. but if i see a lesson of more level that i specially like i also learn it, or the parts that i most like because it also brings you the motivation to keep practicing your current stuff smile.gif i like the last one of Zsolt about his brandnew solo, for example, and wiling to reach it in some months!
Cheers!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Ivan Milenkovic
post Sep 2 2010, 03:37 PM
Post #16


Instructor
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 25.396
Joined: 20-November 07
From: Belgrade, Serbia
Member No.: 3.341



It's not impossible, but it will take you a while, based on your current level. Not sure how long, but in essence, we are talking but prolongued periods of time spent on one exercise. This can have demotivating effect if you stick to one thing for long time, so try to keep your sessions as diverse as possible. Who knows if you will stick to that exercise for that long, you may find something more interesting in 4-5 months, and forget that. The good thing tho, is that this exercise can and will improve your overall playing ability, like any other, so practicing anything is better than practicing nothing wink.gif


--------------------
- Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
- Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons
- (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel
- Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
kaznie_NL
post Sep 4 2010, 11:09 AM
Post #17


Experienced Tone Seeker
*

Group: Passive
Posts: 4.809
Joined: 8-December 07
From: Hedel, Netherlands
Member No.: 3.471



What might be a real help here is modern software! Use Transcribe! to get you going. With that program you can slow the backing track down to whatever percentage of the original speed you'd like to hear it without the pitch changing. You could ask mr Nagy for the track and then use Transcribe! to slow it down! Works very nicely and then you can fasten it up very slowly, like 1% every day or something, maybe even less wink.gif


--------------------
My YouTube Channel Here

My Rec Takes Here


--- GEAR ---
Ibanez SA08LTD2 BAR
Vox AD50VT
Pod Farm
Line 6 Pod Studio GX
El Cheapo Strat
Dunlop Slide
Korg Toneworks AX5G
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Mudbone
post Sep 4 2010, 01:02 PM
Post #18


Learning Apprentice Player
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.750
Joined: 6-May 10
From: Charlotte, NC (residence)/Boston, MA (home) USA
Member No.: 10.329



Thank you everybody for your feedback, it has been very helpful smile.gif I've decided to slowly chip away at this lesson and work on it about 10-15 minutes everyday or so. I know if I work on it for a long time everyday I will get so frustrated that I'll throw my guitar right out the damn window and quite possibly impale an innocent passerby tongue.gif. Ivan is right, practicing something too difficult can be exceptionally demotivating.


--------------------


He who laughs last thinks slowest.

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens


Gear:

Guitars: Uncle Rufus' Twanger Classic
Amps: Mississippi Boom Box
Mojo: Hammer of Odin and a pair of Ox gonads
Inspiration: Samuel Adams Boston Lager

Zero to Hero: 1,387/10,000

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
maharzan
post Sep 4 2010, 02:50 PM
Post #19


Veteran Guitar Lord
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2.333
Joined: 2-May 09
From: Kathmandu
Member No.: 7.127



Cool.. You are probably right and I guess most people might be following that path. I think it depends on what kind of person you are.

For me concentrating on more than one thing or trying to do multiple exercises at once or having a schedule like 15 mins warm up, 30 mins this, 30 mins that didn't work much. I mean I am doing so many things, I can hardly concentrate and improve on any one of them.

I understand it gets frustrating or demotivating working on one lick until you master but it has proven to work for me. Yep, I do try few different things in between to take breaks but all my concentration is fully on that particular lick and I am analyzing it everytime. If its too hard and I am not getting it, then I leave it and learn another lick. After 2-3 weeks of that, I come back to the old lick and then practice it again. It feels much easier and I m able to nail it in shorter time. Then the cycle goes on.

Just my experience. Maybe thats why I don't know much stuff. smile.gif

Again good luck with your practice. Hope to see your progress on the REC. smile.gif

This post has been edited by maharzan: Sep 4 2010, 02:53 PM


--------------------
Checkout my YouTube & my band Nissim's YouTube channels.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Azzaboi
post Sep 4 2010, 09:42 PM
Post #20


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.485
Joined: 23-March 09
From: New Zealand
Member No.: 6.965



Stands hopefully outside your window - waiting for a free flying guitar!


--------------------


Play Games Arcade
Take a break, Play Games! Play the best free online flash games at Aaron's Game Zone like Bloons Tower Defense 4!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

2 Pages V   1 2 >
Fast ReplyReply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 


RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 30th March 2017 - 09:42 PM