Has Anybody Ever Shielded A Strat, Or Any Guitar?, Do you have any hands on experience with cavity shielding? |
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Oct 12 2010, 07:32 PM
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People have argued this before. I feel few if any people succeed in shielding a Strat without sucking some tone. Myself, anything that takes away from that in even a small amount, is not worth it. Strat players have always been able to manage the noise without putting on shielding.
http://www.strat-talk.com/forum/tech-talk/...ne-quality.html edit: I should qualify my perspective. I primarily play a Les Paul I use a lot of stomp boxes, currently in series, wah, compressor, booster, distortion, flanger, octave box, Eventide Tonefactor, delay, looper, BBE Sonic Stomp. It would not matter a rat's ass whether I shielded my Strat using that loop. But I don't have to use all that with my Strat. BTW, the Sonic Stomp is nice. Like most people I leave it on all the time, it makes the tone sound a lot better. You can get one for under $60 if you look around. Also the Eventide boxes are nice. I am going to get a Modfactor when I find a deal that I like. And maybe a Timefactor at a later date. Eventide is real nice, I mean real nice. I tried a TC Electronic Nova Modulator and sent it back, it sucked compared to Eventide quality in my view. First time I ever sent a device back, I was pretty disappointed. This post has been edited by fkalich: Oct 12 2010, 08:07 PM |
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Oct 12 2010, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (VictorUK @ Oct 12 2010, 02:16 PM)  and no i didnt notice any tone difference just less noise from the pickups... Keep in mind that anyone who makes this mod, no longer has a basis for a side by side comparison. If you took two identical sounding strats, modified one, and then compared them straight into an amp clean channel, I bet darn straight you would hear a difference. That might not be as important to you as the benefit that you get from shielding, but it would be there. The guy named Luke from Scotland, on the thread I referenced wires guitars commercially, and he states that there is indeed a measurable change in the electrical signal after shielding, no matter how properly done. edit: if you really want to shield your instrument, here is a good reference. I don't agree with the guy that nothing is lost. However, if you are going to do it, here you go, if you want to do it right. http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/shield3.php This post has been edited by fkalich: Oct 12 2010, 09:49 PM |
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Oct 20 2010, 01:38 AM
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I'm not really an expert for this, but I would say that reducing hum from pickups is primarily being done with wax potting the pickups. After that it's the copper foil. Copper foil is fairly easy to do, but not sure about wax potting. I guess it's not that hard, there are tons of interesting tutorials on the web. It would be a fun project. Here's an interesting article:
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Oct 20 2010, 02:13 AM
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Hum as is most conventionally defined, refers to the inherent AC hum in the electrical supply. In the US it is 60 cycles per second. I am not sure what it is in Europe. Humbuckers cancel most of this by using two coils next to each other. Shielding will do little to isolate your signal from this hum. The other noise, general electrical interference, is usually higher pitched. It is the result of the electrical/magnetic fields inherent in any electrical flow . A major source of this can be lighting, or really anything electrical in the proximity. Grounded shielding will serve to isolate your signal from this interference.
The tone sucking issue with shielding is capacitance, which occurs when two charged plates are in close proximity. When you turn your tone knob on your guitar, you are bringing a capacitor into play, to suck out part of you signal, in that simple implementation the highs. Your cables also have a degree of capacitance. Low capacitance cables are available, at higher cost. Shielding can also tend to act as a capacitor, especially if improperly done. If you are going to do so, I suggest that you look at the above link that I provided for guidance, to avoid this as much as possible. Some claim that Fender left the shielding off of the traditional Strat out of cheapness. I don't believe that. The Telecaster has shielding, at least mine does. They left it out intentionally in the Strat, as part of a design that produces the unique Strat sound. I don't know what they do with the noiseless pickup Strats, perhaps they shield those. Those don't really sound like a traditional Strat anyway. At least not when you are playing fairly clean. QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Oct 19 2010, 07:38 PM) I'm not really an expert for this, but I would say that reducing hum from pickups is primarily being done with wax potting the pickups. After that it's the copper foil. Copper foil is fairly easy to do, but not sure about wax potting. I guess it's not that hard, there are tons of interesting tutorials on the web. It would be a fun project. Here's an interesting article:
http://www.guitarnuts.com/technical/electrical/index.php This post has been edited by fkalich: Oct 20 2010, 02:31 AM |
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