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post Oct 29 2010, 11:19 PM
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came across this video a few days ago and found the amount of gear they used seemed pretty ridiculous, and thought it would be interesting to see what people thought about using pedals and racks or if people prefered playing straight into an amp, surely using that much gear is just overkill?
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post Oct 29 2010, 11:36 PM
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Their sound is revolutionizing the modern metal scene. If you can control it, and get results that is making the metal world say "wow", it cant be overkill. smile.gif

I prefer it simple though. smile.gif

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post Oct 30 2010, 12:04 AM
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Whats lame is that they have all that gear to creat great tone and then they use the freaking mic on the camcorder to get the audio! What a total waste! They could have played through 10 watt combo amps and gotten the same effect. You mostly hear string buzz. Wow thats lame. These guys are incredible players and to see this poor of an audio recording just irritates me to no end. Grr.

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post Oct 30 2010, 01:48 AM
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They are not using that much of equipment!

For EVERY Metal band it is the genre standard to have a Tubescreamer-type overdrive set to no gain in front of your high gain amp (acting as a low end cut). Due to the insane amounts of distortion you have to use a Noisegate in front of the amp to fight the feedback and if you want to you can add another in the loop to surpress amp noise.

Besides these basics they are using delays and chorus effects for clean and/or leads which is also very common...
Aside from that there isn't much else going on besides the compressors as tone shaping devices (they could have used an eq pedal for that aswell). They use midi switching which reduces the pedal dancing live because you can select a whole diffrent sound with just one step on a switch.

All in all they use a pretty basic setup for these kind of sounds (metal riffing and clean playing), it just looks like a lot at first sight!
There are guitarists out there using WAY MORE effects, I mean they have no pitch shifters, wahs, phasers, flangers, equalizers, univibes, tremolos, whammys, etc...


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post Oct 30 2010, 05:08 AM
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Zak has a KILLER point about the TUBE SCREAMER. If you don't have one, GET ONE! They are AMAZING. My GNX3 does a pretty good emulation of one and it's the main distortion on every patch I have. He's also right that these guys aren't using "that much" gear. What is just such a shame is that I'm sure this would sound great if they would have just put some mics up and run it in to a mixer and sent that in to the input on the video camera. Video camera audio is fine for just recording yourself playing, but here we have a Trio of players doing great work. It merrits a mixing board and some microphones.

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post Oct 30 2010, 07:36 AM
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As Einstein said, "keep it as simple as possible, but no simpler". Lets see, what is in my loop?

BBE Wah -> Boss Compressor -> Boss Distortion -> Modified Boss Overdrive (with Mod it sounds like Tube Screamer, only better!) -> Boss lower Octaves Pedal -> Boss Flanger -> Eventide Pitchfactor -> Eventtide Modfactor -> Eventide Timefactor -> Boss Delay -> Boss Looper -> BBE Sonic Stomp

I have two expression pedals, two 3 button momentary switches, and one 2 button momentary switch. The Eventides have Midi built in, I use that to integrate their Pedals in my desired fashion.

edit: Regarding that band in the video, they remind me of three kids banging on their mother's pots and pans. Awful. Devices are nice, however, there is a reason nobody sells chocolate covered dog poop.

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post Oct 30 2010, 01:51 PM
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The 14th time that guy speaking said Aaaa after every three words he speaks I stopped watching Aaa Aaaa laugh.gif


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post Oct 30 2010, 06:45 PM
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Never!

I've seen a band with 24 pedals all lined up (three rows) in a floor rack, plus foot pedals, distortion box, mixers, and entire wall racks, all neatly cabled backed up by walls of amps (takes 45 minutes to setup). I can't help but think, is it the red or the blue wire, one wrong connection and they are screwed?

It's either that or get emulation like the Pod which has hundreds built in but just sounds a bit more digital or find your own style and stick with just a few pedals.

It even gotten to the point which there's an effect which takes chucks of your playing and reverses it back to you! Is that's going a bit too far? Still trying to find the effect pedal which can play the guitar for you!

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post Oct 30 2010, 09:03 PM
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Effects are cool if you know what to do with them. It's all means for expression something else, don't forget that. If you can use all your gear to create and express yourself - why not? Go for it. There is a difference between having lots of gear, and actually using everything for creating something valuable. Gear is nothing more than a tool.


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post Oct 30 2010, 10:01 PM
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Well I think they have a really cool sound so why not. But yes it seems little ridiculous in this video as they are all sitting down on chairs smile.gif)) Generally I don't mind extra gear - it only adds possibilities if you ever want/need something special.


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post Oct 31 2010, 05:58 AM
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I'd say you never got too much gear but.....

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post Oct 31 2010, 06:13 AM
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Nothing beats the Eddie Van Halen method of plugging straight into an amp and turning all the knobs to 11.


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post Oct 31 2010, 11:53 AM
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I think it depends on what kind of music do you play and how you use your effects/pedals/amps you have . . .


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I'd say you never got too much gear but.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bepti4ltJmc



This vid is hilarious biggrin.gif
That's just a little bit too much . . . smile.gif
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post Oct 31 2010, 12:42 PM
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there's no too much gear there. as others said, it's just guitar+amp+cab+two pedals mainly (Ts and a noise gate) this is a basic for every metalhead. the others pedals they used are for cleans, and weird sounds, so... it's ok too. just they keep the line of the style they are involved into.
once I've heard that the guitarist from Killswitch Engage uses more than one head/cab in a gig, I mean, more than just one amp sounding through many cabs. per example: another specific amp for cleans.
this can be normal for recordings, but... live? I simple don't understand.


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post Nov 2 2010, 02:59 AM
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The guys from Killswitch used a lot of diffrent high gain amps in their career but for cleans they have always used fender combos! They play through a metal amp for rythms and leads but those kind of amps usually don't have the best clean channels, especially if you use guitars with EMG pickups so they switch to a whole diffrent amp for their clean sounds.


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post Nov 12 2010, 12:12 AM
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Two heads, one for clean, and one for overdrive is a good solution for both studio and live. Not a lot of heads can have both great clean and great overdrive, depending on the style.


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