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Marabou
post Nov 2 2010, 02:11 AM
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Hey guys, i´ve recently been listening to alot of metal music, like for an example "Scar symmetry" and "Meshuggah" and so on. I would really like to play some music in their tunings but im not sure what strings i should use for that. Im pretty sure the strings im using are way to thin to play that low but to be honest i really dont know much about that stuff. Any feedback is appreciated!
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post Nov 2 2010, 02:54 AM
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Scar Symmetry play 7 String guitars and Meshuggah play 7 and nowadays even 8 String guitars which are also dropped a half step!
You could play the Scar Symmetry and older Meschuggah songs if you drop your guitar to standard b tuning (or a# standard for meshuggah) which would require VERY THICK strings, I would say at least 12-60 gauge if not thicker.

However because you don't have 7 strings but a low tuned 6 string you will be missing the top high strings for some of the solos.

I would say you should completely forget to try and tune your 6 string guitar to the tuning of Meshuggahs 8 String songs which would require you to tune your guitar to standard F tuning which is almost as low as a bass guitar. These sort of tunings are barely manageable on baritone scale length guitars but on a standard guitar you would have to string it up with an 80 string gauge to get a decent sound out of your guitar. To fit those kind of ridicolously thick strings your guitar needs to be heavily modified.

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post Nov 2 2010, 02:58 AM
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Well I know Mushuggah uses 7 and 8 string guitars, mostly 8 string on their newer stuff. The low string on a 7 string is usually tuned to B, and the low string on an 8 string is usually tuned to F#. To tune a regular 6 string to to B, you would probably need a set of 14, 18, 28, 38, 48, 58. You can always get a set of strings for a 7 string guitar and just not use the high E string. As fas tuning to F#, I guess you could just get a set for an 8 string and not use the top two strings, but I don't think it will work out too well, because a 6 string guitar has a much shorter scale length than an 8 string.

One thing you must keep in mind, if you're going to go for these heavy gauge sets, you're gonna have to cut the nut on your guitar to accommodate the larger strings, and that is an irreversible modification to your guitar.

Edit: ZakkWylde beat me to the answer smile.gif

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post Nov 2 2010, 03:00 AM
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QUOTE (Marabou @ Nov 1 2010, 09:11 PM) *
Hey guys, i´ve recently been listening to alot of metal music, like for an example "Scar symmetry" and "Meshuggah" and so on. I would really like to play some music in their tunings but im not sure what strings i should use for that. Im pretty sure the strings im using are way to thin to play that low but to be honest i really dont know much about that stuff. Any feedback is appreciated!



As the other posters have mentioned, the bands your trying to emulate use 7 and 8 string guitars to achieve that low chunk that sounds so spiff. You can probably forget pulling that off on a 6 string. However, you can experiment with drop tuning in general and write some tunes that are along the same lines. For playing drop tuning Metal, you typically want heavier gauge strings. Try going up one or two gauges than from what you normally use. Also, check in to "Hybrid" packs of strings which use heavier gauge strings for the lower three and lighter gauge strings for the higher three. That way you get nice thick strings for drop tune and lighter strings for solo work.

If you want to play exact covers of of bands that use 8 string guitars, your best bet is to actually buy an 8 string guitar. I play a Ibanez 7 string with a Low B and I love it. But even it has trouble tuning deep enough to match an 8 string without frapping. Much less an 8 string that has been detuned. This is the kind of thing that as a new player, you really wouldn't know about unless somebody mentioned it which is why this site is so cool.

In good fun, this actually reminds me Just a bit of another post I saw where a new player wanted to get a "Megadeth" tone with his 10 watt Ibanez combo amp. The short answer is you can't get there from here but you can turn the bass up all the way, face the amp toward the wall, pull it under a blanket and then turn it up all the way. smile.gif But really, this is all part of the learning process so there are no silly questions. Just silly instructors like me. smile.gif

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post Nov 2 2010, 03:02 AM
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In most cases you not only have to cut the nut but you also have to use a drill to widen the tuning peg holes and carve out material on your bridge. Additionally most regular pickups can't handle these low tunings so you would have to upgrade to either EMG pickups or very clear sounding handmade pickups like bareknuckles or Lundgrens to get something besides mud out of your guitar (I am talking about f# and lower right now)


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post Nov 2 2010, 03:14 AM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Nov 2 2010, 02:54 AM) *
Scar Symmetry play 7 String guitars and Meshuggah play 7 and nowadays even 8 String guitars which are also dropped a half step!
You could play the Scar Symmetry and older Meschuggah songs if you drop your guitar to standard b tuning (or a# standard for meshuggah) which would require VERY THICK strings, I would say at least 12-60 gauge if not thicker.

However because you don't have 7 strings but a low tuned 6 string you will be missing the top high strings for some of the solos.

I would say you should completely forget to try and tune your 6 string guitar to the tuning of Meshuggahs 8 String songs which would require you to tune your guitar to standard F tuning which is almost as low as a bass guitar. These sort of tunings are barely manageable on baritone scale length guitars but on a standard guitar you would have to string it up with an 80 string gauge to get a decent sound out of your guitar. To fit those kind of ridicolously thick strings your guitar needs to be heavily modified.


Thanks for the replies! Alright so i guess i´ll try to stick to some more common tunings before i buy a 7 string or so on tongue.gif Im not sure i would want to have to thick gauge strings on my guitar yet, since im not absolutely sure what tuning and so on i want to use ( No fun restringing a guitar everytime i gotta change genre ) But i was thinking about getting a 7 string, so í´ll keep this in mind. all this information has been noted! Also, im thinking about getting a hybrid set of strings now that you metioned, Todd. Thanks to all of you! biggrin.gif
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post Nov 12 2010, 12:02 AM
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I would suggest something similar, probably the closest solution: get a 12-56 set, and tune it to drop C. Then just transpose all the riffs to that tuning. It will not be the same, but it will sound good.


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