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Nielzsz
post Nov 22 2010, 06:08 PM
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Hey rock chicks and dudes cool.gif !

I’m facing a problem and i really need some help solving it.
I think about 3 months ago my guitar start giving me electric shocks ( maybe longer ago dry.gif ). It was when I touched the 6 string whit the back of my arm.
Well, this wasn’t really big a problem, But lately I’m getting more and more shocks.
Most of the time the shock hits the back of my arm, but now I’m also feeling shocks at my left hand…
I changed the power supply, but I the guitar still gave me shocks.
What I know is that I kinda have sweaty hands while playing and electricity loves the salt in it tongue.gif .

Is there anybody who had faced the same problem or knows the solution for mine? laugh.gif

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post Nov 22 2010, 06:50 PM
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Check and make sure the ground wire isn't shorting. If you have active EMGs, this isn't an issue, as there is no ground connection. Also, it could be static electricity; have you been wearing some new clothes recently? Wool and polyester are notorious for static electricity. Winter socks that are made of these fibers can cause some serious static electricity as they drag across a carpet, I've seen a bolt of electricity zap from my finger once biggrin.gif


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post Nov 22 2010, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE (Mudbone @ Nov 22 2010, 06:50 PM) *
Check and make sure the ground wire isn't shorting. If you have active EMGs, this isn't an issue, as there is no ground connection. Also, it could be static electricity; have you been wearing some new clothes recently? Wool and polyester are notorious for static electricity. Winter socks that are made of these fibers can cause some serious static electricity as they drag across a carpet, I've seen a bolt of electricity zap from my finger once biggrin.gif


Hm, everything should be fine and I recently trown out my carpet. The shocks not as heavy as before, but there still here! sad.gif
Haha, had to be a shock to see that! ( yea yea, cheesy i know tongue.gif )
THx for help anyway smile.gif
But do u still encounter shocks btw?


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post Nov 22 2010, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (Nielzsz @ Nov 22 2010, 04:38 PM) *
Hm, everything should be fine and I recently trown out my carpet. The shocks not as heavy as before, but there still here! sad.gif
Haha, had to be a shock to see that! ( yea yea, cheesy i know tongue.gif )
THx for help anyway smile.gif
But do u still encounter shocks btw?


Almost everything I wear is made out of cotton, so I hardly ever get shocked. But whenever I wear synthetic fibers, I do get shocked biggrin.gif This is especially true when getting in and out of the car. Try wearing all cotton when you practice, and you'll get shocked less. Better yet, practice in the nude, then you don't have to worry about any of this. Just make sure you close the blinds cool.gif


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post Nov 22 2010, 11:12 PM
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Um. that's not good. I'd check to make sure you wall socket is wired/grounded properly. Reverse wiring in a socket can do bad things. If your wiring is fine at the wall, then there's a short in your amp somewhere. Amps can give off a doozy of a shock - so don't this sort of thing lightly, especially if you notice you're getting shocked more often - indicator the problem is getting worse. Have your amp checked out.

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post Nov 23 2010, 06:42 PM
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I'm not an expert on this, but you should definitely check if the wall sockets and grounded. Also, you need to check your amp as well, and the guitar. It could be that guitar is not properly grounded, and that amp is sending some small bit of electricity. Could be the pedals as well if you are using them.


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post Nov 23 2010, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE (Mudbone @ Nov 22 2010, 10:52 PM) *
Almost everything I wear is made out of cotton, so I hardly ever get shocked. But whenever I wear synthetic fibers, I do get shocked biggrin.gif This is especially true when getting in and out of the car. Try wearing all cotton when you practice, and you'll get shocked less. Better yet, practice in the nude, then you don't have to worry about any of this. Just make sure you close the blinds cool.gif


hahaha, i will upload a vid of me doing that into the REC tongue.gif orrr not haha.
Well, the shocks are over at the moment biggrin.gif i think it was te carpet.

QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Nov 22 2010, 11:12 PM) *
Um. that's not good. I'd check to make sure you wall socket is wired/grounded properly. Reverse wiring in a socket can do bad things. If your wiring is fine at the wall, then there's a short in your amp somewhere. Amps can give off a doozy of a shock - so don't this sort of thing lightly, especially if you notice you're getting shocked more often - indicator the problem is getting worse. Have your amp checked out.

my speeeeling is horendous...


Thank you for your help! ill will check if its getting worse. The shocks are over at the moment, i think it was my carpet..
If it keeps comming, i will let my amp checked biggrin.gif


QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 23 2010, 06:42 PM) *
I'm not an expert on this, but you should definitely check if the wall sockets and grounded. Also, you need to check your amp as well, and the guitar. It could be that guitar is not properly grounded, and that amp is sending some small bit of electricity. Could be the pedals as well if you are using them.


The sockets are fine, as far as i know wink.gif. As said before, i think it was my carpet.
But i really apreciate your help here biggrin.gif


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post Nov 24 2010, 03:42 AM
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Do keep an eye on this as it could be an indicator of a more serious problem that could result in an electrical fire. If the wiring in your place is in need of repair due to wear/tear, being chewed by pests, etc. it can create serious problems that can result in sparking/fire/shorts/cooking your gear, etc. Not to alarm you but electrical issues should always be handled promptly and by a certified electrician. So it might be a good idea just to have your house wiring/electical system looked over by a professional. The problems you can prevent are always cheaper than the problems you have to fix.

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post Nov 29 2010, 12:47 AM
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Check your shoes man, just kidding,

be careful with these type of stuff it might get serious


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post Nov 29 2010, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 24 2010, 03:42 AM) *
Do keep an eye on this as it could be an indicator of a more serious problem that could result in an electrical fire. If the wiring in your place is in need of repair due to wear/tear, being chewed by pests, etc. it can create serious problems that can result in sparking/fire/shorts/cooking your gear, etc. Not to alarm you but electrical issues should always be handled promptly and by a certified electrician. So it might be a good idea just to have your house wiring/electical system looked over by a professional. The problems you can prevent are always cheaper than the problems you have to fix.

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Ill be watching it, because i still get the shocks. But it also happends when the amp isnt turned on..
I will let my amp get checked


QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 29 2010, 12:47 AM) *
Check your shoes man, just kidding,

be careful with these type of stuff it might get serious


Ill put on rubber boots next time haha.

Yea, ill get the amp checked smile.gif i dont want a fire you know haha tongue.gif


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post Dec 2 2010, 07:28 PM
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I am pretty sure is the grounding. Or the lack of grounding in your sockets (power source).

I was rehearsing with my band in my basement and the sockets had no grounding. Also the floor was half wood and half stone. When I was stepping on the stone side it was ok but when I was stepping on the wooden part I could feel the electricity running through me. At least if I would have got so inspiration for some "electrifying" songs smile.gif) The bass player got a pretty bad shock once and then we called an electrician and installed new sockets with grounding. We had no problems afterward.

This happened on winter when our shoes were wet and pretty much when the 60W amplifier was on.


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post Dec 2 2010, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (rhoads @ Dec 2 2010, 01:28 PM) *
This happened on winter when our shoes were wet and pretty much when the 60W amplifier was on.


I remember I was the singer in my first band ever and I was getting a big shock everytime my lips where touching the mic. I have never been such a shy singer in my entire life. laugh.gif



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post Dec 2 2010, 08:13 PM
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The main concern I have with getting shocks like this is the path from your guitar to ground (your feet) is thru your heart... amps pack enough juice to be dangerous, and while it is extremely rare to be seriously injured (or worse!), I highly recommend getting to the bottom of whether it's a grounding issue, starting with your wall socket.


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post Dec 2 2010, 09:41 PM
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Go to a hardware store and pick up an inexpensive electical oulet tester. You just plug it in to the wall socket and it has a series of lights that act as a visual indicator. The one I use informs you if the wiring is correct or if you have:

Open ground
Open Neutral
Open Hot
Hot / Ground Reversed
Hot / Neutral Reversed

In the states the devices cost under $10 and they are very usefull for troubleshooting problems such as what you are experiencing.

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post Dec 3 2010, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (rhoads @ Dec 2 2010, 07:28 PM) *
I am pretty sure is the grounding. Or the lack of grounding in your sockets (power source).

I was rehearsing with my band in my basement and the sockets had no grounding. Also the floor was half wood and half stone. When I was stepping on the stone side it was ok but when I was stepping on the wooden part I could feel the electricity running through me. At least if I would have got so inspiration for some "electrifying" songs smile.gif) The bass player got a pretty bad shock once and then we called an electrician and installed new sockets with grounding. We had no problems afterward.

This happened on winter when our shoes were wet and pretty much when the 60W amplifier was on.


Well, everything is grounded wink.gif but i have found the problem. I only get shocks now in the winter AND only when i touch the mouse or my laptop and my guitar at the same time.
And as i come closer to my laptop, my guitar produces more and more buzz tongue.gif

So, problem is kinda solved haha, Thx anyway for help!

QUOTE (Crazy_Diamond @ Dec 2 2010, 07:33 PM) *
I remember I was the singer in my first band ever and I was getting a big shock everytime my lips where touching the mic. I have never been such a shy singer in my entire life. laugh.gif


hahaha, must have been a really sad sight tongue.gif
But cool that you kept on singing wink.gif
Do you have any uploads of you singing?

QUOTE (Gary @ Dec 2 2010, 09:41 PM) *
Go to a hardware store and pick up an inexpensive electical oulet tester. You just plug it in to the wall socket and it has a series of lights that act as a visual indicator. The one I use informs you if the wiring is correct or if you have:

Open ground
Open Neutral
Open Hot
Hot / Ground Reversed
Hot / Neutral Reversed

In the states the devices cost under $10 and they are very usefull for troubleshooting problems such as what you are experiencing.

Gary


Ah great! ill keep that in mind!
I just found out that i only get shocks when I touch my laptop and guitar at the same time... Im then like an electrical wire tongue.gif
Is there anything to solve that? ( someting other than not touching it ofcourse wink.gif )


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