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Todd Simpson
post Apr 24 2011, 06:49 PM
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Here is the Paradox lick recorded clean. Toss this in to the template project and see how it goes smile.gif The trick to recording clean and adding fx is to get adequate gain/level recorded so that the signal can "push" the software distortion enough inside reaper.

Even if you add a little red line/peaking to the clean track, it's better than having the track be too quiet/soft before it gets Amp Emulation. Let me know how it goes smile.gif



QUOTE (quadrium @ Apr 23 2011, 04:00 PM) *
I'll dig into drums smile.gif I have never done it before but i will figure it out. Also having a Nanopad + EZ drummer is my main advantage smile.gif

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Hey Todd, here it is smile.gif I have used each riff in 2 tracks to provide a flow but i couldn't do that at some points of the song. Can you take care of it? smile.gif And what do you think about my verse riff beside the intro. I can't decide whether it is compatible or not to the song. Should we change it? I will start making drums now smile.gif

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I'm gonna have to pick up a nano-pad one of these days. Although, working with midi keyboard controller seems to do the trick quite well smile.gif I've been using EZ-Drummer for a quite a while now, inside of Cubase. It's great for dropping drum loops on the time line, but I agree, editing the drum parts to work alongside your song really is an art all of itself. Challenging and time consuming are two words that best describe it for me smile.gif

It gets easier and faster as you go though. Just like everyone has their own style of playing, you find out that you also have your own style of drum sound you gravitate towards in your songs, and because the more songs you create drums for, the more practiced you are at being able to lay down patterns that you're looking for.

I'm enjoying watching you guys put together this project. Keepin at it is how you get it done!

Cheers!
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 24 2011, 10:02 AM) *
EZ Drummer and a Nano pad are HUGE advantages and will help quite a bit. EZ drummer has tons of preset drum patterns. You can mix and match those by dragging them in to the timeline in reaper. This is an ART in an of itself. For a guitar player to build a drum section is a HUGE stretch typically but gives great insight in to the drummers world. Creating the foundation of track.

The hardest part is you almost have to hear it in your head to a degree before you build it. You need to have a rough idea of the parts and all, but being able to build what you want just takes repetition.

I'll build a drum track as well. Maybe Christian can do, it feels like working backwards as I usually start with guitar. The good news is, if we build in the rythm first, we won't run in to the probs we had with track one trying to fix the drums afterward which is always tough.



QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 24 2011, 10:49 AM) *
Here is the Paradox lick recorded clean. Toss this in to the template project and see how it goes smile.gif The trick to recording clean and adding fx is to get adequate gain/level recorded so that the signal can "push" the software distortion enough inside reaper.

Even if you add a little red line/peaking to the clean track, it's better than having the track be too quiet/soft before it gets Amp Emulation. Let me know how it goes smile.gif


slick riff Todd. Came out real clean - nice. cool.gif


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Great! I'll take a listen now!

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QUOTE (quadrium @ Apr 24 2011, 04:04 PM) *
Hey Todd, here it is smile.gif I have used each riff in 2 tracks to provide a flow but i couldn't do that at some points of the song. Can you take care of it? smile.gif And what do you think about my verse riff beside the intro. I can't decide whether it is compatible or not to the song. Should we change it? I will start making drums now smile.gif

Dogukan,



Well said wink.gif Like many things, it's a lot about practice/repetition. It's really tough at first. A producer buddy of mine has a huge collection of midi controllers and I borrowed his nanopad and really dug it. It has a "flam" feature making drum rolls easy to create as well. Also tried his new Kaos pad with the green lights on it and dug that as well. Also his nano daw mix controller. Guy has a massive collection, makes me jealous! I really wand his Quad UAD cards though. They have the best sounding plugins I've ever heard in my life.

P.S. Please feel free to jump in to the project if the mood strikes wink.gif All are welcome!

QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Apr 25 2011, 11:57 AM) *
I'm gonna have to pick up a nano-pad one of these days. Although, working with midi keyboard controller seems to do the trick quite well smile.gif I've been using EZ-Drummer for a quite a while now, inside of Cubase. It's great for dropping drum loops on the time line, but I agree, editing the drum parts to work alongside your song really is an art all of itself. Challenging and time consuming are two words that best describe it for me smile.gif

It gets easier and faster as you go though. Just like everyone has their own style of playing, you find out that you also have your own style of drum sound you gravitate towards in your songs, and because the more songs you create drums for, the more practiced you are at being able to lay down patterns that you're looking for.

I'm enjoying watching you guys put together this project. Keepin at it is how you get it done!

Cheers!
Chris






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I like the arrangement smile.gif I've reposted the file with the VST plugins turned on. I"ll stop using the AU plugins as they are mac only. So the guitars have distortion.

The tough bit is going to be doing this to drums as some of the licks are just a hair faster than others. So either the drum parts will have to get faster and slower, or the parts themselves will. But either way, it's a great thing to work through.

Well done!
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QUOTE (quadrium @ Apr 24 2011, 04:04 PM) *
Hey Todd, here it is smile.gif I have used each riff in 2 tracks to provide a flow but i couldn't do that at some points of the song. Can you take care of it? smile.gif And what do you think about my verse riff beside the intro. I can't decide whether it is compatible or not to the song. Should we change it? I will start making drums now smile.gif

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Glad you liked it Todd smile.gif I am messing with drums now smile.gif Just have one question for you. Some parts of the song has blanks between the riffs. I am dragging the riffs all around but still couldn't able to do it properly. What should i do? Or can you fix it?

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post Apr 27 2011, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 26 2011, 08:36 AM) *
P.S. Please feel free to jump in to the project if the mood strikes wink.gif All are welcome!


I appreciate the invite. I just might jump in at some point - I'm currently recording a new song though, and all my time is consumed with the drums and riffage - but once I'm at a wait-rest-relisten point before finishing the project, I'll jump in.

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Any chunks that are blank/no audio, means that the project has just lost the audio file. You should still have the original recordings you made. Just re import them, or worst case re record them.

Keep in mind, it's best to work in one folder when doing this type of work. That way the Reaper project can find all of the bits. If the files are nested in sub directories, reaper can lose them.

File management is one of the most important things to learn when doing computer based audio. Losing some files is something that happens along the way.

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QUOTE (quadrium @ Apr 27 2011, 08:16 AM) *
Glad you liked it Todd smile.gif I am messing with drums now smile.gif Just have one question for you. Some parts of the song has blanks between the riffs. I am dragging the riffs all around but still couldn't able to do it properly. What should i do? Or can you fix it?

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I see. I have recorded a new version of my verse riff. I will put it into the project file and upload it tonight smile.gif

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Hey Todd,

Here is the newest version of our project file. I rerecorded the verse riff and try to close the gaps between the riffs at some points smile.gif Take a look and tell me what do you think smile.gif

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It's honestly getting kinda hard to tell what's going on with no rythm section. It's good though that you are getting practice puttng the bits together. Repetition is the key. smile.gif

See if you can start putting a beat under the guitar riffs. It will help the song start to take shape.

Moving forward is hard, keep fighting!

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QUOTE (quadrium @ Apr 28 2011, 04:53 PM) *
Hey Todd,

Here is the newest version of our project file. I rerecorded the verse riff and try to close the gaps between the riffs at some points smile.gif Take a look and tell me what do you think smile.gif

Dogukan,



Gotcha wink.gif You are always welcome. Our stick point seems to be our rythm section. Maybe on this tune or the next one, we could recruit you for some help with drums? It's a struggle for guitarists to create good drum tracks. But it is a great way to understand rythm.

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QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Apr 27 2011, 04:49 PM) *
I appreciate the invite. I just might jump in at some point - I'm currently recording a new song though, and all my time is consumed with the drums and riffage - but once I'm at a wait-rest-relisten point before finishing the project, I'll jump in.

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QUOTE (quadrium @ Apr 28 2011, 02:53 PM) *
Hey Todd,

Here is the newest version of our project file. I rerecorded the verse riff and try to close the gaps between the riffs at some points smile.gif Take a look and tell me what do you think smile.gif

Dogukan,


good riff/intro idea. I would sit on the first portion of the riff for 4 bars. Have a bass come in to assist on the 3rd bar, then the drums kick in on the 5th bar. That will give the first portion of the riff a renewed energy without having to change the tonality, giving you a nice build up into the main verse or chorus (whichever) into the song.

Change to the second half of that riff for another 2 bars, and you have your hook into the song.

my 2 cents.
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Dude! Grab the project file and arrange it like this smile.gif That's the whole point! I"ll make it super easy, here is a zip with all the file in MP3 format. Just open and drag the clips around. Nothing to learn, nothing to to make it hard. Jump in!

Attached File  April30Consolidated.zip ( 1.31MB ) Number of downloads: 36

QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Apr 29 2011, 11:41 AM) *
good riff/intro idea. I would sit on the first portion of the riff for 4 bars. Have a bass come in to assist on the 3rd bar, then the drums kick in on the 5th bar. That will give the first portion of the riff a renewed energy without having to change the tonality, giving you a nice build up into the main verse or chorus (whichever) into the song.

Change to the second half of that riff for another 2 bars, and you have your hook into the song.

my 2 cents.
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I"ve created a consolidated version of the project with MP3 files so it's much smaller. I grabbed your intro from a previous version. It's got gain/distortion baked in to the track but thats fine. I"ve noticed that the tracks you guys are recording dry have a lot less overal level/signal than mine so they aren't matching very well but we can fix that. Also, the tempos are drifting because we have no drums yet. But we are still working on arrangement so that doesn't matter either smile.gif

Anyhoo, grab this zip. Expand it in to a folder and it should get rid of those "file missing" problems. Make any changes, like adding drums, and just reuploap the folder.

You may get prompted to go download an encoder which is free so you can work in mp3.

Progress!
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QUOTE (quadrium @ Apr 28 2011, 04:53 PM) *
Hey Todd,

Here is the newest version of our project file. I rerecorded the verse riff and try to close the gaps between the riffs at some points smile.gif Take a look and tell me what do you think smile.gif

Dogukan,



Christian! smile.gif I"ve consolidated our project and re-encoded it using mp3 files so it's much smaller. Also, it will fix those "file missing" nags if you are getting those.

This is still just the arrangement, no drums. But now we can all be on the same page smile.gif

Todd


QUOTE (Gitarrero @ Apr 18 2011, 02:36 PM) *
Hi guys,
just letting you know I'm back! I'll dive depper into our project during the easter holidays, so expect some riffs, solos and maybe drums then wink.gif
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What's the project tempo?
I'm using cubase so there are only 3 usable MP3 files in that zip file.

01-110428_1855.mp3
02-110414_0113.mp3
Ascension_ParadoxClean.mp3

not much to go on unless you want me to lay something out from scratch?



QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 29 2011, 07:59 PM) *
Dude! Grab the project file and arrange it like this smile.gif That's the whole point! I"ll make it super easy, here is a zip with all the file in MP3 format. Just open and drag the clips around. Nothing to learn, nothing to to make it hard. Jump in!

Attached File  April30Consolidated.zip ( 1.31MB ) Number of downloads: 36




I"ve created a consolidated version of the project with MP3 files so it's much smaller. I grabbed your intro from a previous version. It's got gain/distortion baked in to the track but thats fine. I"ve noticed that the tracks you guys are recording dry have a lot less overal level/signal than mine so they aren't matching very well but we can fix that. Also, the tempos are drifting because we have no drums yet. But we are still working on arrangement so that doesn't matter either smile.gif

Anyhoo, grab this zip. Expand it in to a folder and it should get rid of those "file missing" problems. Make any changes, like adding drums, and just reuploap the folder.

You may get prompted to go download an encoder which is free so you can work in mp3.

Progress!
ToddAttached File  April30Consolidated.zip ( 1.31MB ) Number of downloads: 43






Christian! smile.gif I"ve consolidated our project and re-encoded it using mp3 files so it's much smaller. Also, it will fix those "file missing" nags if you are getting those.

This is still just the arrangement, no drums. But now we can all be on the same page smile.gif

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Thanks Todd smile.gif I am currently working on some ideas for drums. I will upload the file soon smile.gif

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 30 2011, 02:59 AM) *
I"ve created a consolidated version of the project with MP3 files so it's much smaller. I grabbed your intro from a previous version. It's got gain/distortion baked in to the track but thats fine. I"ve noticed that the tracks you guys are recording dry have a lot less overal level/signal than mine so they aren't matching very well but we can fix that. Also, the tempos are drifting because we have no drums yet. But we are still working on arrangement so that doesn't matter either smile.gif

Anyhoo, grab this zip. Expand it in to a folder and it should get rid of those "file missing" problems. Make any changes, like adding drums, and just reuploap the folder.

You may get prompted to go download an encoder which is free so you can work in mp3.

Progress!
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The project tempo is a standard 120 I believe. The trick is, we are using Amp Modeling that is built in to Reaper on this track. However, our First track, really needs love on the drums. If I sent you a stem of the mix without drums, do you think you could pull it in to Cubase and add percussion?

Also, we are running in to the same problem with this track. We are all trying to build an underlying drum track for the parts to go over. That's what everyone is struggling with.

For that matter, would you like to initiate a tune by creating the rythm section, or just the drums that we could take the drum stem and add on to?


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What's the project tempo?
I'm using cubase so there are only 3 usable MP3 files in that zip file.

01-110428_1855.mp3
02-110414_0113.mp3
Ascension_ParadoxClean.mp3

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 2 2011, 02:23 PM) *
The project tempo is a standard 120 I believe. The trick is, we are using Amp Modeling that is built in to Reaper on this track. However, our First track, really needs love on the drums. If I sent you a stem of the mix without drums, do you think you could pull it in to Cubase and add percussion?

Also, we are running in to the same problem with this track. We are all trying to build an underlying drum track for the parts to go over. That's what everyone is struggling with.

For that matter, would you like to initiate a tune by creating the rythm section, or just the drums that we could take the drum stem and add on to?


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I'll work on it tonight when I get home from work.
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 2 2011, 02:23 PM) *
The project tempo is a standard 120 I believe. The trick is, we are using Amp Modeling that is built in to Reaper on this track. However, our First track, really needs love on the drums. If I sent you a stem of the mix without drums, do you think you could pull it in to Cubase and add percussion?

Also, we are running in to the same problem with this track. We are all trying to build an underlying drum track for the parts to go over. That's what everyone is struggling with.

For that matter, would you like to initiate a tune by creating the rythm section, or just the drums that we could take the drum stem and add on to?

Todd


Go ahead and zip up your project files and send them to me. I'll msg you my email address. Make sure to include a sync-tone if you have alot alrady synced up to a BPM. You said 120, but the audio lick that you posted is actually really close to 130 if not spot on.

just for fun, I chopped up one of your licks and put together a drum idea based on my remix of your lick, and added a little guitar hi-lite. I don't have a bass though so I couldn't get too fancy tongue.gif

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QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ May 3 2011, 06:49 AM) *
Go ahead and zip up your project files and send them to me. I'll msg you my email address. Make sure to include a sync-tone if you have alot alrady synced up to a BPM. You said 120, but the audio lick that you posted is actually really close to 130 if not spot on.

just for fun, I chopped up one of your licks and put together a drum idea based on my remix of your lick, and added a little guitar hi-lite. I don't have a bass though so I couldn't get too fancy tongue.gif

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It's great man! smile.gif And here is the project file, includes all the recordings etc. Feel free to change it smile.gif And can you tell me what do you think about the 01-110428_1855 recording after you have listened? It's my idea but i kinda didn't like the recording, maybe we can change it a little. I have also added Todd's drum idea that he used while recording his riffs smile.gif

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QUOTE (quadrium @ May 3 2011, 09:53 AM) *
It's great man! smile.gif And here is the project file, includes all the recordings etc. Feel free to change it smile.gif And can you tell me what do you think about the 01-110428_1855 recording after you have listened? It's my idea but i kinda didn't like the recording, maybe we can change it a little. I have also added Todd's drum idea that he used while recording his riffs smile.gif

Dogukan,


I'll take a look-see this evening after band-practice. I tried reading all of the posts in this thread to get up to speed on what's what but it's information overload.

My understanding to date is that you guys already created one song and created a facebook page that points at that song.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Project-Quad...44298662?v=wall

Now you're working on the second song, what you attached here are the current version of the master project as it stands, and you're looking for a drum track and some more ideas on how to arrange the various riff ideas you've come up with into a song structure?

Thanks!
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