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post Mar 1 2011, 08:16 PM
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Hey guys biggrin.gif I just got my pickups changed...and i remembered from my old pickups that there is usually a noticeable difference when changing from neck to bridge. The tone should have more treble in the bridge compared to the neck right? But i can't seem to hear the difference with the new pickups except the middle single coil of course(which is not changed). Maybe there is a slight difference but not significant. Could it be that there must be something wrong with the wiring? Mine is a 5 way pickup selector...
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post Mar 1 2011, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (badfingers93 @ Mar 1 2011, 02:16 PM) *
Hey guys biggrin.gif I just got my pickups changed...and i remembered from my old pickups that there is usually a noticeable difference when changing from neck to bridge. The tone should have more treble in the bridge compared to the neck right? But i can't seem to hear the difference with the new pickups except the middle single coil of course(which is not changed). Maybe there is a slight difference but not significant. Could it be that there must be something wrong with the wiring? Mine is a 5 way pickup selector...


Could you post a sound sample?


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post Mar 1 2011, 10:40 PM
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Hey there, sorry I didn't get to answer you properly in the chat. Where did you get the pickups wired ? There is always a chance they got wired up wrong.

Your ears don't really lie so there is a good chance there could be something not right with the wiring. Which is the pickup that doesn't seem right ?


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post Mar 2 2011, 01:54 AM
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it might be the wiring, you could compare with clips on youtube from the same pick ups


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post Mar 2 2011, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE (Mudbone @ Mar 1 2011, 07:54 PM) *
Could you post a sound sample?

Hello mudbone, thanks for replying. Yes i'll try to post a sound sample...

QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Mar 1 2011, 09:40 PM) *
Hey there, sorry I didn't get to answer you properly in the chat. Where did you get the pickups wired ? There is always a chance they got wired up wrong.

Your ears don't really lie so there is a good chance there could be something not right with the wiring. Which is the pickup that doesn't seem right ?

Hello ben, it's alright, i did not wanna interrupt your awesome vibrato lessons anyways biggrin.gif I got it wired in a guitar shop and got it back on the day itself like 3 hrs later. I suspect there just might be a wiring problem. It's weird that i can hear a significant difference with my infinity pickups and not with the new ones! Another thing is, on the underside of the pickup selector (if you actually open the cover at the back) has like metal plates where the wires are suppose to be connected to right? It's not all been used up (as in not all of them has been soldered to a wire). Is it normal for it to be that way?

Hmm...the bridge pickup seems to be the problem as it should have a more trebly or a more crunchy tone compared to the neck. But to my surprise, it almost sound the same!

QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Mar 2 2011, 12:54 AM) *
it might be the wiring, you could compare with clips on youtube from the same pick ups

Unfortunately there is only one video tongue.gif Well i'll try to watch it again i guess...

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post Mar 2 2011, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (badfingers93 @ Mar 2 2011, 11:40 AM) *
Another thing is, on the underside of the pickup selector (if you actually open the cover at the back) has like metal plates where the wires are suppose to be connected to right? It's not all been used up (as in not all of them has been soldered to a wire). Is it normal for it to be that way?

Hmm...the bridge pickup seems to be the problem as it should have a more trebly or a more crunchy tone compared to the neck. But to my surprise, it almost sound the same!


Hmm, I'm not actually sure but if somebody has not soldered the pickups correctly it would explain why it doesn't sound like it should. If it was me I would take it to another guitar shop or somewhere that could check it over for you and give a second opinion. Also, let somebody else play it too to hear what you hear.

Yes, the bridge pickup should be much more trebly than the neck.. if it sounds just as dull and rounded then that's not right. Sometimes people can wire pickups in the wrong 'phase'. I don't know enough about it but that could be an issue. I would definitely get it looked at by somebody else.


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post Mar 2 2011, 04:17 PM
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I agree, all guitars I ever played (even the ones with cheap pups) have a big difference in sound between the neck and bridge, being the bridge the trebly one, of course. I have no clue about wirings etc., but that doesn't sound right.

Also: pickup height changes the tone of the pickups. But even if the height is not right, they should sound different from each other.

Oh, and one last thing: since I don't know the model of your guitar, check that you are checking it with the tone at 100% on both pups. Some guitars like SGs for instance have sepparate tone/volume controls for each pup. I guess you already tried that, but just in case wink.gif


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post Mar 2 2011, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (Fran @ Mar 2 2011, 03:17 PM) *
I agree, all guitars I ever played (even the ones with cheap pups) have a big difference in sound between the neck and bridge, being the bridge the trebly one, of course. I have no clue about wirings etc., but that doesn't sound right.

Also: pickup height changes the tone of the pickups. But even if the height is not right, they should sound different from each other.

Oh, and one last thing: since I don't know the model of your guitar, check that you are checking it with the tone at 100% on both pups. Some guitars like SGs for instance have sepparate tone/volume controls for each pup. I guess you already tried that, but just in case wink.gif

Yes i already tried it with tone and volume at 100 percent...my guitar is an RG 370DX and only has 1 vol and 1 tone knob. I'll post a sample sound by today and let you guys listen...
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post Mar 2 2011, 07:18 PM
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Ok mudbone...here it is. And for you guys who wanna hear it. below is three samples.

Neck pickup:
Attached File  Neck_pickup.wav ( 3.77MB ) Number of downloads: 108


Bridge pickup:
Attached File  Bridge_pickup.wav ( 4MB ) Number of downloads: 107


Neck followed by bridge:
Attached File  Neck_and_Bridge.wav ( 7.99MB ) Number of downloads: 99


For the last track, you'll hear the neck pickup then followed by bridge. It's just for convenience sake. So it'll be easier to compare both sounds biggrin.gif Will be waiting for your responses...

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post Mar 3 2011, 10:31 AM
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I can't really hear much of a difference, if any. When the opening chord rang out on the bridge pickup sample I thought it sounded brighter but when it went into the rhythm it was too similar to the neck sample. I would definitely get it looked at by somebody else who knows what they are doing. smile.gif


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post Mar 3 2011, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Mar 3 2011, 09:31 AM) *
I can't really hear much of a difference, if any. When the opening chord rang out on the bridge pickup sample I thought it sounded brighter but when it went into the rhythm it was too similar to the neck sample. I would definitely get it looked at by somebody else who knows what they are doing. smile.gif

Hey guess what, i just got my guitar fixed in another guitar shop biggrin.gif It seems that there is something wrong with the wiring of the cables. He checked my guitar like as if he's been dong it for a long time (the repair guy was actually quite old) laugh.gif And yes, he told me that they wired my pickups using the "stratocaster" way (not exactly sure what that means). He rewired the pickups and even checked the pickup height. I tried it at the store itself and it was all good. So i guess moral of the story is, "Don't trust any guitar tech under 40 yrs old" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE (badfingers93 @ Mar 3 2011, 11:34 AM) *
Hey guess what, i just got my guitar fixed in another guitar shop biggrin.gif It seems that there is something wrong with the wiring of the cables. He checked my guitar like as if he's been dong it for a long time (the repair guy was actually quite old) laugh.gif And yes, he told me that they wired my pickups using the "stratocaster" way (not exactly sure what that means). He rewired the pickups and even checked the pickup height. I tried it at the store itself and it was all good. So i guess moral of the story is, "Don't trust any guitar tech under 40 yrs old" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Excellent news !! Well done for going and getting it checked out smile.gif

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post Mar 4 2011, 12:19 PM
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Glad you sorted it out smile.gif yeah, wiring is tricky in general. Lots of people can solder, but not many know exactly what wire goes where.


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