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Brandon Earman View Member Profile	Mar 23 2011, 02:58 AM
Mar 23 2011, 02:58 AM	Learning Roadie Posts: 300 Joined: 12-September 09 From: College Station, Texas	Hey GMC, here's a take using my new setup: Fender Amplitube with Focusrite Saffire 6 USB interface. I'm still trying to get everything figured out, I'm not getting the exact sounds I want yet but I'm making progress. I'm also running into a buffer issue, I think my computer may be too old. So I'm having to play with around 10-11ms of delay A new computer is probably next on my list for sure... Anyways, enjoy the jam. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "That's alright I still got my guitar, look out now!" -Hendrix

JamesT View Member Profile	Mar 23 2011, 05:12 AM
Mar 23 2011, 05:12 AM	Accomplished Tone Master Posts: 757 Joined: 12-April 08 From: USA, NV	Nicely done man. You're getting some good sounds out of that guitar. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my YouTube Channel

Mudbone View Member Profile	Mar 23 2011, 05:16 AM
Mar 23 2011, 05:16 AM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 1.750 Joined: 6-May 10 From: Charlotte, NC (residence)/Boston, MA (home) USA	Great playing, sounds really nice So what amp model and/or pedals is this supposed to be? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- He who laughs last thinks slowest. "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens Gear: Guitars: Uncle Rufus' Twanger Classic Amps: Mississippi Boom Box Mojo: Hammer of Odin and a pair of Ox gonads Inspiration: Samuel Adams Boston Lager Zero to Hero: 1,387/10,000

Brandon Earman View Member Profile	Mar 23 2011, 01:18 PM
Mar 23 2011, 01:18 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 300 Joined: 12-September 09 From: College Station, Texas	QUOTE (Mudbone @ Mar 22 2011, 11:16 PM) Great playing, sounds really nice So what amp model and/or pedals is this supposed to be? Thanks guys. It's a Fender Vibroverb Custom (1964 I think?) with a compression pedal, again all using Fender Amplitube. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "That's alright I still got my guitar, look out now!" -Hendrix

Adrian Figallo View Member Profile	Mar 23 2011, 02:38 PM
Mar 23 2011, 02:38 PM	Instructor Posts: 3.466 Joined: 24-October 09 From: lima peru	cool sounds brandon!, i like it dude. about the latency, 10-15m of latency is pretty normal for modeling, i dont think the computer is the problem, i have a macbook pro now, and use to have a quadcore pc, and still you got that latency. in the other hand, i heard that you can avoid it with a firewire system, you will get used tho, is not that bad! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check my Instructor Profile Rockers! Got a Blog too!, www.adriantracks.com Follow me on facebook and youtube! -Facebook -Youtube

Brandon Earman View Member Profile	Mar 23 2011, 04:14 PM
Mar 23 2011, 04:14 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 300 Joined: 12-September 09 From: College Station, Texas	Maybe I'm asking for too much then as far as latency goes. I would just like to get it down to 7-8ms, but when I lower it to that, I get a bunch of "crackling" and it sounds terrible. QUOTE (Adrian Figallo @ Mar 23 2011, 08:38 AM) cool sounds brandon!, i like it dude. about the latency, 10-15m of latency is pretty normal for modeling, i dont think the computer is the problem, i have a macbook pro now, and use to have a quadcore pc, and still you got that latency. in the other hand, i heard that you can avoid it with a firewire system, you will get used tho, is not that bad! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "That's alright I still got my guitar, look out now!" -Hendrix

Todd Simpson View Member Profile	Mar 23 2011, 11:50 PM
Mar 23 2011, 11:50 PM	GMC:er Posts: 25.297 Joined: 23-December 09 From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA	I used to have the same issues for quite some time as far as latency. Each device will have it's own set latency and then software modeling increases that a bit. For me it did get better when switching to a semi monster rig from non monster rig. I'm using a quad core xeon 3ghz Mac Pro Tower with 8 GB of Ram. Even then it was still there til I upgraded to the newest version of the Macintosh operating system which makes more use of 64 Bit technology. So my DAW can address wads of ram, hit all four cores etc. I've used two firewire interfaces and once USB. They were all really close on latency but this varies per unit. One thing to look out for is "Zero Latency Monitoring" on your next audio interface. This is a feature common to many consumer grade interfaces these days. But I feel your pain as latency used to just annoy me to death. WORKAROUND I started recording without any fx, just dry and applying the modeling after the fact. This is semi crap as the fx can impact what you play/how you play etc, and when it's just raw and dry the vibe is not there. It's a workaround though until you get another solution. **That said, your work here is great and your tone is fantastic. If there is latency, I can't really hear it having any ill effect. Well done Todd QUOTE (Brandon Earman @ Mar 23 2011, 10:14 AM) Maybe I'm asking for too much then as far as latency goes. I would just like to get it down to 7-8ms, but when I lower it to that, I get a bunch of "crackling" and it sounds terrible. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- EVERY QUICK LICK! http://bit.ly/quicklickswithtodd MY INSTRUCTOR FORUM MY SHRED JOURNEY (BOOTCAMP) LESSON NOTES/TABS MY INSTRUCTOR PROFILE @ GMC ME @ YOUTUBE.com ME @ Instagram.com ME @ TWITTER

Brandon Earman View Member Profile	Mar 24 2011, 02:07 AM
Mar 24 2011, 02:07 AM	Learning Roadie Posts: 300 Joined: 12-September 09 From: College Station, Texas	Wow Todd, I'm jealous of your computer rig Question: If you mic a real amp into your USB interface (like my Saffire 6), will you have as much latency? I realize you will always have some latency, but will it be minimal when mic'ed as opposed to all modeling/VST? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "That's alright I still got my guitar, look out now!" -Hendrix

Todd Simpson View Member Profile	Mar 26 2011, 08:54 AM
Mar 26 2011, 08:54 AM	GMC:er Posts: 25.297 Joined: 23-December 09 From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA	Thanks It's been a great rig. I can safely suggest the Mac Pro Tower to anyone doing music. You will notice those large silver cheese grater looking boxes in lots of studios. Fan noise can be like a jet though. Cooling all that is work. Great question btw. The latency is created partially by the signal itself passing through the usb bus/interface in "some" cases and compounded by the cpu cost of modeling. So Recording with a Mic VS Going direct, still requires you to go through your USB Interface so no latency reduction there really. As I mentioned, try to record just plain dry if at all possible just to see if it eliminates enough latency. Then start adding things back on. When I'm doing rock/blues I'm much less sensitive to latency than when doing metal/speed stuff. So if I"m doing lots of fast picking and plan to model, I"ll either record tone with distortion on it (gnx3 through bass combo amp) or dry and add fx later. Playing a lead bone dry is tough. Sounds nothing like what it will sound like later but shy of making hardware changes, it's the easiest fix. Hope this helps. Keep it up! Todd QUOTE (Brandon Earman @ Mar 23 2011, 08:07 PM) Wow Todd, I'm jealous of your computer rig Question: If you mic a real amp into your USB interface (like my Saffire 6), will you have as much latency? I realize you will always have some latency, but will it be minimal when mic'ed as opposed to all modeling/VST? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- EVERY QUICK LICK! http://bit.ly/quicklickswithtodd MY INSTRUCTOR FORUM MY SHRED JOURNEY (BOOTCAMP) LESSON NOTES/TABS MY INSTRUCTOR PROFILE @ GMC ME @ YOUTUBE.com ME @ Instagram.com ME @ TWITTER

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Mar 31 2011, 02:27 PM
Mar 31 2011, 02:27 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	I watched this couple of days ago, and I really liked it, well done mate! BTW What's your PC config mate? Perhaps there is a solution to this problem. Also, could you tell us the software setup as well, it will help. Saffire should provide enough power for less latency. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Bogdan Radovic View Member Profile	Mar 31 2011, 02:40 PM
Mar 31 2011, 02:40 PM	Bass & Beginner Instructor Posts: 15.614 Joined: 30-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Very nice and warm sound. I like your playing and feeling! Fender Amplitube is a great modeling software - clean sounds amazing. You can get rid of all the latency , 10-11 ms sounds fine to me. But good PC with lots of RAM is a must for music production (especially if you are going to use modeling). You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net Check out my lessons and my instructor board. Check out my beginner guitar lessons course! ; Take a bass course now!

Gilmore View Member Profile	Mar 31 2011, 03:22 PM
Mar 31 2011, 03:22 PM	GMC:er Posts: 342 Joined: 2-October 07 From: Reykjavik, Iceland	I like the tone from that guitar, what model is it? I have Saffire Pro24, and my latency is about 5 - 8ms, I think it´s hard to get any lower than that, and really no need. If you hear some popping and crackling it´s probably something computer related, rather then the interface, Focusrite makes only top quality products. If you have other programs running they can cause unwanted noice, specially if you have old computer, and even with newer ones. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Electric Guitars: Gibson SG 61´ Reissue, Gibson Les Paul Classic, Fender Standard American Stratocaster (2008 OW RW) , Fender Standard American Stratocaster (2003 2TSB MPL), Ibanez Prestige RG2570E, Warmoth Telecaster (BlueBurst), Warmoth Custom (CherryBurst). Accoustic Guitars: Ovation Custom Legend, Ovation Legend (12 string), Martin 000-15M. Classical Guitars: Jose Ramirez 125 Ano (Cedar), Manuel Rodriguez Model D (Spruce). Bass: Ibanez SRX500. Keyboard: M-Audio Keystation 88es. Recording interface: Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 DPS.

Brandon Earman View Member Profile	Mar 31 2011, 03:39 PM
Mar 31 2011, 03:39 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 300 Joined: 12-September 09 From: College Station, Texas	Thank you everyone, I'm glad my playing was enjoyable. I think a lot of my latency issue is coming from my computer setup. Here's my specs: Pentium4 3ghz (what is THAT!?) haha I know it's old 2gb ram, or something too small of hard drives.. 1x20gb 1x80gb So yeah it's old.. however... I am building a new PC which all my parts will arrive Monday: Pentium i7-950 1TB HD 6GBDD3 ram So I am hoping this will allow me to come down 2-3ms on my latency. QUOTE (Gilmore @ Mar 31 2011, 09:22 AM) I like the tone from that guitar, what model is it? It was a Fender Vibroverb custom with a compressor pedal running, that's it. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "That's alright I still got my guitar, look out now!" -Hendrix

Fran View Member Profile	Mar 31 2011, 04:12 PM
Mar 31 2011, 04:12 PM	Learning Rock Star - Wiki Coordinator Posts: 8.451 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Spain	Nice! Well played man, tone is great too You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Guitars: Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Ibanez RG2570MZ, Epiphone SG G-400 Amp: Vox AC4TVH head + V112TV cab Effects: Vox Satchurator, Vox Time Machine, Dunlop CryBaby, Boss MT-2, Boss CE-5, Boss TU-2, Boss ME-70 Recording: Line-6 POD X3 + FBV-Express, Pandora PX5D GMC wants YOU to take part in our Guitar-Wikipedia! Have a good time reading great articles and writing your own with us in our GUITAR WIKI! Share your playing and get Pro-advice from our Instructors: Join REC

Brandon Earman View Member Profile	Mar 31 2011, 04:24 PM
Mar 31 2011, 04:24 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 300 Joined: 12-September 09 From: College Station, Texas	oh yeah, and my new motherboard has USB 3.0.. does anyone know if this will be noticeably faster if I hook my saffire interface up to it? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "That's alright I still got my guitar, look out now!" -Hendrix

Gilmore View Member Profile	Mar 31 2011, 04:50 PM
Mar 31 2011, 04:50 PM	GMC:er Posts: 342 Joined: 2-October 07 From: Reykjavik, Iceland	QUOTE (Brandon Earman @ Mar 31 2011, 05:24 PM) oh yeah, and my new motherboard has USB 3.0.. does anyone know if this will be noticeably faster if I hook my saffire interface up to it? Not it will not be faster......only if your interface is USB 3 Supported, but not many devices have that today. But your new computer will be fast enough for everything.......I have simular setup, and everything is smooth and fast, no matter what I throw at it. Just buy as much memory as you can....all the VST plugins will eat it up fast, 6Gb minimum.....12GB is better. I have only 6GB, and Superior Drummer 2 sometimes cries out for more, if I run large project. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Electric Guitars: Gibson SG 61´ Reissue, Gibson Les Paul Classic, Fender Standard American Stratocaster (2008 OW RW) , Fender Standard American Stratocaster (2003 2TSB MPL), Ibanez Prestige RG2570E, Warmoth Telecaster (BlueBurst), Warmoth Custom (CherryBurst). Accoustic Guitars: Ovation Custom Legend, Ovation Legend (12 string), Martin 000-15M. Classical Guitars: Jose Ramirez 125 Ano (Cedar), Manuel Rodriguez Model D (Spruce). Bass: Ibanez SRX500. Keyboard: M-Audio Keystation 88es. Recording interface: Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 DPS.

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Mar 31 2011, 05:27 PM
Mar 31 2011, 05:27 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Brandon, your new machine will be definitely a pleasure to work with The latency will cut down to around 5-7, it's hard to go bellow that. But this should be enough. Also, bare in mind, that in time you will adapt to latency. QUOTE (Gilmore @ Mar 31 2011, 05:50 PM) Just buy as much memory as you can....all the VST plugins will eat it up fast, 6Gb minimum.....12GB is better. I have only 6GB, and Superior Drummer 2 sometimes cries out for more, if I run large project. Hmm, that's strange. SD 2.0 only eats up around 600MB for it's NY Avatar samples. Possibly something else is eating the RAM. 6GB of RAM should be well enough for Superior Drummer 2.0 You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Gilmore View Member Profile	Mar 31 2011, 05:57 PM
Mar 31 2011, 05:57 PM	GMC:er Posts: 342 Joined: 2-October 07 From: Reykjavik, Iceland	QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Mar 31 2011, 06:27 PM) Brandon, your new machine will be definitely a pleasure to work with The latency will cut down to around 5-7, it's hard to go bellow that. But this should be enough. Also, bare in mind, that in time you will adapt to latency. Hmm, that's strange. SD 2.0 only eats up around 600MB for it's NY Avatar samples. Possibly something else is eating the RAM. 6GB of RAM should be well enough for Superior Drummer 2.0 I´t happened when I had a large project running with many copy´s of Guitar Rig and other plugins, not very well organized, and when I loaded Metal Foundry kit in SD 2, then it wouldn´t load all the samples because SD stated that I did not have enough free memory, probably because of other things running. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Electric Guitars: Gibson SG 61´ Reissue, Gibson Les Paul Classic, Fender Standard American Stratocaster (2008 OW RW) , Fender Standard American Stratocaster (2003 2TSB MPL), Ibanez Prestige RG2570E, Warmoth Telecaster (BlueBurst), Warmoth Custom (CherryBurst). Accoustic Guitars: Ovation Custom Legend, Ovation Legend (12 string), Martin 000-15M. Classical Guitars: Jose Ramirez 125 Ano (Cedar), Manuel Rodriguez Model D (Spruce). Bass: Ibanez SRX500. Keyboard: M-Audio Keystation 88es. Recording interface: Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 DPS.

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