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post May 11 2011, 02:09 PM
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well my guitar teacher thought me a long time ago the a minor/cmajor scale.
now I know it has multiple A's in it, so it thought, well if I see a routenote of F instead of A,
and use the same "box " around it then I have a F minor box ( part of scale, no clue how you call it )
so could someone confirm this is right, for example :

C major

E-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------7-----------8-----------10---------------------------
B---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------6----------8---------10--------------------------------------------------------------
G--------------------------------------------------------------------------5---------7---------9------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
D----------------------------------------------5-------7------------9---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A------------------------5-------7-----8--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E-5--------7------8 (root note C)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



E major

E----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------11-----------12-----------14-
B------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------10----------12---------14------------------------------------------------
G----------------------------------------------------------------------------------9---------11---------13-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------D----------------------------------------------9-------11------------13--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A------------------------9-------11-----12--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E-9-------11------12 (root note E)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

if this is correct, the only thing I need to find is these boxes, how do you call them and where do I find them ?

thnx mates

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post May 11 2011, 03:39 PM
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I'm a bit confused with what you're specifically asking about, so help me out a little if I'm going off topic wink.gif

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Yes, A minor has the same boxes as C major. If you want the minor scale from any major scale, just go back 3 half steps (3 frets) from the major scale's root note:

e.g. G major. Root note is G. It's major. 1 fret down from G is Gb (G flat), 2 frets down is F, 3 frets down is E = E minor.

So E minor will share the same boxes as G major.

(You can also get the major from the minor by going up 3 steps.)

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now I know it has multiple A's in it, so it thought, well if I see a routenote of F instead of A, and use the same "box " around it then I have a F minor box

If you use this box:
C major

E-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------7-----------8-----------10--------
B---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------6----------8---------10-------------------------------------------
G--------------------------------------------------------------------------5---------7---------9----------------------------------------------------------------------
D----------------------------------------------5-------7------------9------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A------------------------5-------7-----8----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E-5--------7------8 (root note C)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

...but move it so that the first note (we'll make the first note the root) is F, we get this box:

E-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-----------4-----------6---------
B---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------2----------4---------6-------------------------------------------
G--------------------------------------------------------------------------1---------3---------5----------------------------------------------------------------------
D----------------------------------------------1-------3------------5------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A------------------------1-------3-----4------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E-1-(root F)---3------4----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Now, to check if it's F minor.

F minor needs the 'pattern' of: (Root note) 2 frets, 1 fret, 2 frets, 2 frets, 1 fret, 2 frets, 2 frets.

So F minor would be: F (Root note), G, Ab, Bb, C, Db, Eb and back to the root, F.

The box above (F root) shows: F, G, Ab, Bb, C, Db, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, C, Db, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb. So, YES, it is the F minor scale smile.gif

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Now, how to find the other boxes, and how to find your way around them.

The scales you use always have 3 notes per string, here are all the shapes:



I recommend learning the CAGED (called CAGED because the boxes use the root notes found in the chord shapes of C, A, G, E and D) method of learning scales, instead of the above. The above is great for moving around the fretboard, but with CAGED it's easier to keep track of where you are, and there are 5 shapes, instead of 7.

Major CAGED: Clicky
The black dots are the root notes. So if you look at the first box, you see 2 black notes. If you want F Major, make one of the black dots an F (this makes the remaining black dots F too!) and play around that box.

If you know your note names on the fretboard (learn them if you don't!), you'll be able to find your major scale depending on which strings your root note lies. You just match the root notes with one of the 5 diagrams, and you have your scale!

Here are the minor CAGED boxes: Clicky

The 5 boxes will always be the same for the 7 modes (2 of those modes being major and minor), so if you know where the roots are, and what the 5 boxes are for your scale/mode, you'll be able to play it smile.gif

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post May 11 2011, 05:31 PM
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thnx that cleared some things up, I understand the boxes and everything now but does CAGED mean that the first box ( originally at that position ) is actually in C , the second in A etc ?

thnx for taking the time to help me mate ; )
really appreciate it.

Grtz Marc


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post May 11 2011, 07:46 PM
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The first box uses the shape of a C chord, the second, the shape of an A chord, etc. (btw, the Major CAGED shapes will contain Major chords, the Minor CAGED shapes will contain Minor chords)

Each chord will always have the root notes in the same place, but the notes around those will change depending if you're in the major, natural minor, etc. (this also applies to the rest of the modes i.e. dorian, phrygian, lydian, mixolydian and locrian).

This way, if you know where the root notes are in the position you want to play in, you can figure out with of the 5 chords (C, A, G, E or D) matches that pattern. As long as you're using the right CAGED boxes for that key, you'll be playing in that key, with that root smile.gif

No problem at all, man!! If there's still something that's unclear, don't hesistate to ask. When you get these boxes down, you can do a lot of cool things.

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post May 11 2011, 08:35 PM
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thanx again, just let al the info sink in my brains, tomorrow im going further on it by searching some caged course on google,
I think there also on the knowledge base, but the base I know, thanks to you

Thnx mate ; )


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post May 12 2011, 02:38 AM
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Don't forget the GMC SCALE GENERATOR!! It will show you the tones of a given scale for the entire neck. You will notice the shapes lock together and it's your starting point (root notes) that determine your key. The same shapes apply in Major and Minor all the way up the neck. They chain together allow you to make long scale runs.



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thanx again, just let al the info sink in my brains, tomorrow im going further on it by searching some caged course on google,
I think there also on the knowledge base, but the base I know, thanks to you

Thnx mate ; )



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