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AmirZino
post Jun 11 2011, 10:13 PM
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Hey everybody smile.gif

I'm looking for a new amp and i'll be happy if you can help me to choose the right one.
I use Ibanez SV5470 and Boss ME-70 and I mostly play Dream Theater, Yngwie Malmsteen, John Petrucci, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Andy Timmons, Metallica, Iron Maiden etc
I recieved a lot of recommendation about the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III
Does this amp can satisfy my needs?

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post Jun 11 2011, 10:53 PM
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I wouldn't recommend it really, because it doesn't have tight enough overdrive for your needs. It's more of a classic amp, it has nice sparkly cleans, and overdrive is great for classic rock, but not that great for modern music you need it for.

What's your budget and where are you from? I will give you some recommendations.


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post Jun 11 2011, 11:11 PM
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I'm from Israel and my budget is 1100$ which are 3750 NIS.
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post Jun 12 2011, 01:24 AM
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The Fender Hot Rod is a great choise! It won`t suit your needs, but just add an Blackstar HT-Dual pedal, and you will have three channels to choose from! I think it will be within your budget as well smile.gif

And with that pedal, you will surely get your tones!

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post Jun 12 2011, 01:45 AM
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Where do you plan on playing this amp? That will determine what kind of wattage you will need.


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post Jun 12 2011, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE (mhskeide @ Jun 12 2011, 03:24 AM) *
The Fender Hot Rod is a great choise! It won`t suit your needs, but just add an Blackstar HT-Dual pedal, and you will have three channels to choose from! I think it will be within your budget as well smile.gif

And with that pedal, you will surely get your tones!


I'm using the Boss ME-70 which has some preamps and great effects by boss.
On my Fender Champion 30DSP amp it's sounds great so I think on the Hot Rod Deluxe it will sound much better.


QUOTE (Mudbone @ Jun 12 2011, 03:45 AM) *
Where do you plan on playing this amp? That will determine what kind of wattage you will need.


I play mostly at home but there's a possibility to play in a band.


What about the Blackstar HT Club 40?
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post Jun 12 2011, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (AmirZino @ Jun 12 2011, 04:30 PM) *
What about the Blackstar HT Club 40?

Yes, I think so.


I've gigged a couple of times with the HT dual into old solid state amps that doesn't sound good on their own and the HT Dual was really taking over the sound.
Makes me less dependent on the amp and I know I will have the same sound each time. For clean sound I kick in the crunch sound and turn the volume down on the guitar. Not completely clean but my sound will still have the same character compared to if I bypass the HT-Dual and depend on the clean channel of the current amp, whatever it is, and it gives the same character of sound all through the gig. Which I belive is positive for a listener.



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post Jun 12 2011, 05:20 PM
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What do you say about instead of buying a new amp I can upgrade my multi effect.
The boss me 70 is a great pedal but the GT10 or Line6 HD500 are much better.

Most of the time I play at home so the Hot Rod Deluxe can't be used the same as in a stage.

If i'll buy a new multi effect I'll be able to buy a bit cheaper amp.
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post Jun 12 2011, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (AmirZino @ Jun 12 2011, 06:20 PM) *
What do you say about instead of buying a new amp I can upgrade my multi effect.
The boss me 70 is a great pedal but the GT10 or Line6 HD500 are much better.

Most of the time I play at home so the Hot Rod Deluxe can't be used the same as in a stage.

If i'll buy a new multi effect I'll be able to buy a bit cheaper amp.

I don't know, I never had any success with multieffect units for a convincing live sound. But that could be just me though I've tried _everything_ with my POD X3 Live I think it's best suitable as a sound interface for the computer. For that I'm very happy with it.
The Blackstar dual pedal however, easy to carry and sound close enough. Surely, it's a step down soundwise from the hughes and kettner head and 4x12 cab I use for rehearsals but that's not really portable unless you have a car. Which I only bring if there's no backline where we're playing.
To my ears a multieffects unit is one step further down from the Blackstar Dual pedal. They just don't manage the drive, the distortion and to have a hundred cool effects is simply not worth it if the distortion/overdrive is useless.

Possible setups that strikes my mind.
1) Blackstar Dual pedal for distortion. A few effect pedals (delay, eq for solos for example) into any (junk) amp
2) Blackstar Dual pedal for distortion. A multieffetcs unit for delay, eq etc. into any (junk) amp.

*) A tube Marshall (for example) amp, effect pedals. More to carry around but top of the line sound. Guess it beats your budget though.


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post Jun 12 2011, 06:54 PM
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If you are going to get most of your tone from your multi pedal, you are going to need a nice one smile.gif The good news is it opens up a lot of options in creating tone. I take that approach myself actually and only use my "Amp" for amplification and try to get as little "Color" out of the amp/speaker side as possible. But that's not the way most folks do it to be sure.

I'd say try to experiment with all these options before buying if possible. I don't know how many music stores there are in Israel, but if there are any I'd go test this gear with your own guitar.

The POD HD looks like a good choice and has loads of options and you can edit patches using your computer. Also, take a look at the ZOOM G9. Here is a link.

http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/g92tt

From the music you mention playing, I don't think the amps you mentioned will be your best choice. Perhaps a 5150 Combo or Marshal Combo. Your mostly playing at home as you mentioned so more than that is overkill and a decent combo is portable and can still be loud enough to play with a band.

The distortion pedals mentioned are all top notch and worth having. But it's a different approach than going with a multi. Just depends on you really.

Also, check out the DIGITECH GSP1101. It's a rack mounted multi that is used in the real world by real pros. (Megadeth, Arch Enemy, etc.) Here is a link

http://www.digitech.com/en-US/products/gsp1101

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post Jun 12 2011, 08:28 PM
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For a good first amp, here's a quality choice:



It's a Blackstar HT20 Studio 20 1x12 Combo


2x EL34 und 2x ECC83
20 Watt
1x 12” Celestion Lautsprecher
2 Channel
3 Band EQ
Enhanced Tone Control
ISF Patent-Applied for - Infinite Shape Feature
Master Volume
Digital Reverb
Effect Loop
Speaker Emulated
16 & 8 Ohmm
Dimensions: 572 x 527 x 288 mm
Mass: 21 kg



This is a great quality easy-to-carry combo that should cover you for practice at home, practice with the band, and some small club gigs even.

It has modern tone, ability to switch between british and american voicings, very decent hard rock overdrive, enough power, low mass, and solid cleans.

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