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post May 7 2007, 11:17 AM
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Here's the deal, I will have about $1000 +\- in two weeks from my paycheck and student loans coming in and i have for sure decided i want a new electric. Gabriel's Les Paul caught my eye but more importantly my ear with its one of a kind tone(muffled but strong). Then of course the Pavelmaster with his Vaistick has made me think i may want an ibanez for ULTRASHREDS. Imgoing to the music shop to test out some LP's cus ive played many ibanezes before. So my question is ... PAVEL, whats in your opinion the best value ibanez around 1000usd and if anyone here has a Les paul, is the neck radially large or is it managable for small hands (thanks dad, freaking midget hands).

OH BTW KRIS can we get some specs on your parker(*if it is a parker)

also i know the best way forme to find which one i want is to play them...but i dont have too many good music shops close by

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post May 7 2007, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (Layzer @ May 7 2007, 06:17 AM) *
Here's the deal, I will have about $1000 +\- in two weeks from my paycheck and student loans coming in and i have for sure decided i want a new electric. Gabriel's Les Paul caught my eye but more importantly my ear with its one of a kind tone(muffled but strong). Then of course the Pavelmaster with his Vaistick has made me think i may want an ibanez for ULTRASHREDS. Imgoing to the music shop to test out some LP's cus ive played many ibanezes before. So my question is ... PAVEL, whats in your opinion the best value ibanez around 1000usd and if anyone here has a Les paul, is the neck radially large or is it managable for small hands (thanks dad, freaking midget hands).

OH BTW KRIS can we get some specs on your parker(*if it is a parker)

also i know the best way forme to find which one i want is to play them...but i dont have too many good music shops close by

Thanks for the help whoever! cool.gif


$1000 will get you an Ibanez RG Prestige and some change - awesome guitars everyone says although I've yet to play one.

$1000 will also get you a Les Paul Studio, a cut down version of the LP.

Both very different guitars, both a try!

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ May 7 2007, 01:28 PM) *
$1000 will get you an Ibanez RG Prestige and some change - awesome guitars everyone says although I've yet to play one.

$1000 will also get you a Les Paul Studio, a cut down version of the LP.

Both very different guitars, both a try!


I often wonder why the Studio is cheaper,whats the main difference between that and the standard?


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QUOTE (mattacuk @ May 7 2007, 10:15 AM) *
I often wonder why the Studio is cheaper,whats the main difference between that and the standard?


I'm not an expert, but I think the main differences are in the finish - cheaper paint, no binding etc. I don;t think the tone is compromised to any great degree, but they probably have their own unique sound - I'll let an LP expert chime in here!


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ May 7 2007, 09:41 AM) *
I'm not an expert, but I think the main differences are in the finish - cheaper paint, no binding etc. I don;t think the tone is compromised to any great degree, but they probably have their own unique sound - I'll let an LP expert chime in here!


thanks andrew. I have in mind this.....http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gib...kers?sku=517199 i can put a pickguard on it....it has a slim taper 60's neck and it gets good reviews


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QUOTE (Layzer @ May 7 2007, 11:07 AM) *
thanks andrew. I have in mind this.....http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gib...kers?sku=517199 i can put a pickguard on it....it has a slim taper 60's neck and it gets good reviews


Looks sweet - I think the important thing is that they removed the frills, dropped the price, but didn't lose the character if what an LP is all about!

If/when you get it let us know how it stacks up - I want to add an LP to my collection but it won't be for a long time if I have to pay $2000 for a standard ...


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post May 7 2007, 04:46 PM
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Well LP and Ibanez are TOTALLY different guitars. As Andrew said - any of RG Prestige will do it as Prestige serie is a middle price Ibanez with great quality guitars.


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ May 7 2007, 02:41 PM) *
I'm not an expert, but I think the main differences are in the finish - cheaper paint, no binding etc. I don;t think the tone is compromised to any great degree, but they probably have their own unique sound - I'll let an LP expert chime in here!


From Wikipedia on Les Pauls:

"The "Studio" model was introduced in 1983 and is still in production. The intended market for this guitar was the studio musician; therefore, the design features of the "Les Paul Studio" were centered around optimal sound output. This model retained only the elements of the Gibson Les Paul that contributed to tone and playability, including the carved maple top and standard mechanical and electronic hardware. However, the Studio design omitted several stock Gibson ornamentations that did not affect sound quality, including the binding on the body and neck."

Basically, they dropped the expensive stuff that make the guitar look better.


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Go for this....

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp...ysubsearch=true

I love that guitar SOOO Much!
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post May 7 2007, 08:40 PM
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I wish you could get a 24 fret Gibson Les paul.


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post May 7 2007, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (Layzer @ May 7 2007, 10:07 AM) *
thanks andrew. I have in mind this.....http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gib...kers?sku=517199 i can put a pickguard on it....it has a slim taper 60's neck and it gets good reviews


I have three les pauls. a studio, a mahogany, and also a 58 les paul standard reissue from the custom shop that lists for $3100 (although I got it for $2400).

The studio has nothing to be ashamed of, in comparison to the higher priced les pauls.

However, I believe that faded you showed is different. I don't think that has a maple top. I think that is like my les paul mahagony. While I like it a lot, it does not have the real have the standard les paul sound. You need the heavier maple top for that.

If you have a strat, you don't need an ibanez. 24 frets don't mean squat, I think Eric Johnson has demonstrated that quite convincingly. I don't see how a person lives without a les paul. However, one needs a strat as well. I can live quite happily without a japanese guitar with a 1 year warranty.

japanese truck, fine. I love my toyota tacoma. 7 year warranty on that.

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QUOTE (fkalich @ May 7 2007, 04:01 PM) *
I have three les pauls. a studio, a mahogany, and also a 58 les paul standard reissue from the custom shop that lists for $3100 (although I got it for $2400).

The studio has nothing to be ashamed of, in comparison to the higher priced les pauls.

However, I believe that faded you showed is different. I don't think that has a maple top. I think that is like my les paul mahagony. While I like it a lot, it does not have the real have the standard les paul sound. You need the heavier maple top for that.

If you have a strat, you don't need an ibanez. 24 frets don't mean squat, I think Eric Johnson has demonstrated that quite convincingly. I don't see how a person lives without a les paul. However, one needs a strat as well. I can live quite happily without a japanese guitar with a 1 year warranty.

japanese truck, fine. I love my toyota tacoma. 7 year warranty on that.




thank you. that is useful information. I could never figure out why those twomodels were so inexpensive! the next cheapest slim taper 60s neck LP is like 1,700usd

Oh...also, my fender is very nice (50's vintage maple neck mexican)but since it is vintage it has nooo good tone for crazy metal stuff....could this be fixed with pickups?


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QUOTE (mattacuk @ May 7 2007, 10:15 AM) *
I often wonder why the Studio is cheaper,whats the main difference between that and the standard?


I have a studio and a standard and the primary difference is nothing more than a lack of expensive decoration. I actually like the sound from the Studio better than the standard (of course, that's the one I put better pick-ups in)

I continue to look at buying a Parker as it seems to be the most versatile guitar I can find. I like the Ibanez but it simply can not hold a candle to the blues sound of the the Les Paul. However, if you're a shredder than you really aren't playing music that utilizes the Les Pauls best qualities and would probably be better suited with the Ibanez.

When buying a guitar you need to buy the one that does what you want to play the best. I use a Strat for good old Rock n' Roll, I use a Les Paul for Blues and some Heavy Rock, I use a Telecaster for Buddy Holly type stuff. They haven't really invented the all-purpose guitar - but the Parker looks pretty close.

QUOTE (Layzer @ May 7 2007, 05:14 PM) *
thank you. that is useful information. I could never figure out why those twomodels were so inexpensive! the next cheapest slim taper 60s neck LP is like 1,700usd

Oh...also, my fender is very nice (50's vintage maple neck mexican)but since it is vintage it has nooo good tone for crazy metal stuff....could this be fixed with pickups?


Short answer, No. You can play Master of Puppets on a Strat with killer pick-ups, but you won't be able to make up for the weight and wood of the guitar. For Crazy metal stuff, buy a crazy metal stuff guitar, you can get a solid one relatively cheap.
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wat does the les paul feel like to play


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QUOTE (sillyman @ May 17 2007, 12:46 PM) *
wat does the les paul feel like to play



goooooooooood....smooth and quick


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quicker than ibanez?

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QUOTE (sillyman @ May 17 2007, 03:09 PM) *
quicker than ibanez?


not too sure probly not but nicer tone imo


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I just sold alot of my guitars because they did not fit my style, 24 frets with a double cutaway.

It all depends on what you want to play.

My Les Paul faded with the hot 490T and 498T humbuckers has great sound, but tougher lower fret access and my Ibanez Prestige RGA121 has better fret access (double cutaway) and decent sound, lots of possibilities with the 5 way switch, from single coil Strat sound to Deep Humbucker sound.

I tried to sell the Les Paul on ebay, but it was my only guitar that did not sell out of 6 that did not fit my style. $599 starting bid including a Gibson Hardshell case, I think I'll keep it. Lower fret access is tough, but where it does play it is fast thanks to the 60s slim neck.

Another inexpensive guitar you might want to look at is the Fender Showmaster HH, it has 24 frets, strat type whammy bar, 25.5 inch scale, and two hot Seymour Duncan humbucker pick-ups for $629 new.
They can be had for less used.
It also has a 5 way switch which allows you to get fat humbucker sounds for anything from Jazz to metal or Strat type single coil sounds for Clapton or Hendrix.

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post May 19 2007, 07:06 AM
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Yeah i checked out the Shomaster but i think it has a really thick neck and i dont want a strat style guitar (because i have one already and want something faster\smaller scale)


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Well, i personally don't like LP's, i ind that the neck is too thick, and that i like a finished wood neck, not one thats been all painted over so it's not as smooth. I got an Ibanez RG1570MRB Prestige for £500 here in Scotland, so thats probably around $800 - $900, and its the best guitar i've ever played. Its just so quick and smooth, and if you want a floyd, i'm afraid you'll have to go Ibanez, they do the best floyds out there, the edge pro is godly.

But thats only my opinion.
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