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Cosmin Lupu
post Jul 24 2011, 10:56 PM
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If you were to choose between these two skills

- highly trained ears
- fluid sight reading

which one you'd strive to develop most and why? smile.gif


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post Jul 24 2011, 11:20 PM
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Highly trained ears, as I believe it is much more difficult. Sight reading as a concept is actually pretty basic, its the speed and fluency that you must work on.

Training your ears is a much more delicate and time consuming task, I think.
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post Jul 25 2011, 12:12 AM
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I'm going with highly trained ears. I think sight reading is sort of cheating as is guitar pro, someone else used their ears tabbed it all out threw it up for others to use. I know cuz I wish I would have trained my ears instead of looking at guitar pro all these years. laugh.gif


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post Jul 25 2011, 12:47 AM
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Slight reading for me, I can normally read ahead of my playing and read it upside down, backwards, or whatever, doesn't matter. Can read small print easily.

As for ear training, I need work, i can't play something just by hearing it or pick it apart note by note. Seems a real good gift to develop! I heard it's like learning colours?


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post Jul 25 2011, 12:48 AM
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Ear training is very important. It comes naturally to some people, I really have had to work at it.


Sight reading is important to and not related to tabs, actually music notation. I did my first musical a few months ago and was handed sheet music with 24 songs in it, no tabs or anything. It was a very stretching thing. But my ear training helped me on parts I could not read fast enough.


So ears first, sight reading second. I would like to be a session musician some day possibly and I know that takes sight reading as well as a good ear.


I try not to use tabs as I have found them wrong many times (except on here of course!) LOL
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post Jul 25 2011, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE (Azzaboi @ Jul 24 2011, 11:47 PM) *
Slight reading for me, I can normally read ahead of my playing and read it upside down, backwards, or whatever, doesn't matter. Can read small print easily.

As for ear training, I need work, i can't play something just by hearing it or pick it apart note by note. Seems a real good gift to develop! I heard it's like learning colours?


If you'll try David Lucas Burge's Perfect Pitch course, you'll see that he does associate colors to notes. Relative pitch training though is much easier to work with when you associate intervals with sounds which we hear around us and which are easily recognizable. For instance, I associate the perfect fifth with a medieval trumpet announcing someone important arriving at a king's court tongue.gif I think I've said that before in an answer to a post here biggrin.gif but nonetheless, it always works wink.gif

I used to use tabs as well until some time ago, but I discovered that as soon as you'll start learning songs by ear, you'll develop a sensational skill which no other activity will help you out with.

For instance, now I'm working on a combination between ear training and composition: I have to come up with some arpeggios over a certain part of Vivaldi's 'Winter'. What I did, was slow it down to 50% hear out and understand the harmonies in that specific part and then see what sort of arpeggios I could play over smile.gif it's very rewarding in the end, trust me!!


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If anyone is selling good ears I'll pay 5 grand biggrin.gif All the great muso's I know have great ears. I'm slowly getting better but gee it takes time
I got the Dave Burke Perfect Pitch cd's but really there's no quick solution it takes time or you just are born that way.
It would be great if GMC did a bit more in this area of development. Maybe do a lesson with no tab and get members to tab out or even post back on video. And do different levels of difficultly! Just a thought. smile.gif
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i have been using Dave's Relative Pitch for a few and Fretboard Mastery by Troy Stetina, so far i ca recognize Octaves, Major's 2, Major 3, Perfect 4,5 and Major 6,7, pretty much the major scale i guess q:

but i am far from the main goal, still working!


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post Jul 25 2011, 03:07 PM
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I would go for better ear ability. It would come in far more useful in a music / band scenario. Even if you could sight read super fast, you'd still have to be able to physically play what's written... smile.gif



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post Jul 25 2011, 03:16 PM
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Not really sure, both techniques require several intense years of study to perfect. I would choose both, although the ear is already starting to be trained pretty well as I go along, and sight reading, never really found the use to read notation fast enough, so don't have time for it. It's a useful thing to know if you need it all the time.


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post Jul 25 2011, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 25 2011, 02:16 PM) *
Not really sure, both techniques require several intense years of study to perfect. I would choose both, although the ear is already starting to be trained pretty well as I go along, and sight reading, never really found the use to read notation fast enough, so don't have time for it. It's a useful thing to know if you need it all the time.


I think much like you do mate biggrin.gif though I do have a friend who can sightread and perform on sight almost any given piece! But he is classically trained and aside from that, he created and wrote scores for a 80-100 people whole orchestra, in order for them to perform Led Zeppelin's 'Kashmir'. He's a monster guitarist as well ...


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post Jul 25 2011, 04:35 PM
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Yes, there are many people who are highly trained in this skill, it's just part of their every day activity, no big wisdom in it wink.gif


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post Jul 25 2011, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 25 2011, 03:35 PM) *
Yes, there are many people who are highly trained in this skill, it's just part of their every day activity, no big wisdom in it wink.gif


Well, indeed, but I personally know no other like him biggrin.gif


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ear for sure!, who needs to read biggrin.gif


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post Jul 25 2011, 08:34 PM
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I did actually borrow that Perfect Pitch Ear Training course from someone a while back when I was still a beginner on the axe, and well fell asleep during the first disc, maybe I should try it again. It was like it was stuck on repeat and still didn't sink in much. It's a eight disc set... aww man!

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post Jul 25 2011, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (Azzaboi @ Jul 25 2011, 08:34 PM) *
I did actually borrow that Perfect Pitch Ear Training course from someone a while back when I was still a beginner on the axe, and well fell asleep during the first disc, maybe I should try it again. It was like it was stuck on repeat and still didn't sink in much. It's a eight disc set... aww man!



i actually enjoy, training licks and stuff while listening to the man tongue.gif


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post Jul 25 2011, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jul 24 2011, 05:56 PM) *
If you were to choose between these two skills

- highly trained ears
- fluid sight reading

which one you'd strive to develop most and why? smile.gif


Thats' a great question. I've actually chosen highly trained ears, but I hope I can still choose fluid sight reading smile.gif I wanted to create my own music more than I wanted to play other folks music so I really focused on my ear training. But after a while I really wanted to learn to site read so I took some classcial courses. It helped a TON. My sight reading could always use more work though. Being able to sight read is sorta like being able to touch type (not hunt and peck) it's a level of polish that speaks well of ones overall ability and professionalism. Can you "Make It" without? Sure, many have. Is it handy to have along the way, oh yes.



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post Jul 26 2011, 04:51 AM
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highly trained ears!! I think that have the ears trained is one of the most important things for a musician, it helps to compose, to improvise, to learn songs... I think that it's a must for us. I don't mean that it's a must to recognize every interval but at least have the ability to learn songs by ear, and keep on training it.


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post Jul 26 2011, 09:54 AM
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A funny story regarding the ears and their amazing capability smile.gif

One day, I was shopping at the nearby supermarket and (in some places where you guys live they are common in others they may not be) a gypsy beggar was playing a darbouka. He started jamming in a 5/4 groove which totally took me by surprise smile.gif as I passed by i was able to count and tap my leg with my empty hand smile.gif he noticed that I understood what he did and smiled.

These folks have no clue on what they are playing and yet their ears seem to have developed this peculiar capability of picking up complex rhythms which usual people and even some musicians can't use or understand that easily...strange ain't it? But native influences are important here.. I guess it flows in their blood smile.gif


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