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Cosmin Lupu
post Sep 5 2011, 10:56 PM
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Alrighty ladies and DJENTlemen biggrin.gif

since there's always been some questions here and there regarding the djent current, I thought I had to start this thread and post as many info in here as possible about this most interesting hybrid smile.gif

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What is DJENT?

Djent is a heavy metal subgenre, inspired by the band Meshuggah (and I must add Devin Townsend, as Meshuggah only came with the heavy stuff, but all the melodic side came from Devin) and developed through the internet. The word "djent" is an onomatopoeia for a heavily palm-muted, distorted guitar chord. Typically, the word is used to refer to music that makes use of this sound, to the sound itself, or to the scene that revolves around it.

Who are these DJENTlemen everybody's talking about?

Meshuggah are being thought of as the fathers of djent, and, here are the bands and musicians considered to have instigated the birth of the modern djent scene: Periphery, TesseracT, Vildhjarta, Benea Reach, Chimp Spanner, and the now defunct band Fellsilent. Some progressive metal bands have some similar characteristics and are also sometimes referred to as djent - these include Textures, Veil of Maya, Animals as Leaders, Monuments, After the Burial, The Contortionist, Mnemic, Threat Signal, The Acacia Strain and Meshuggah themselves.

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post Sep 6 2011, 03:44 AM
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Well said smile.gif It started as a way to describe palm muting heavy chunky syncopated rythms and has somehow morphed in to being a full on description and even used as a Genre term now. Despite many of the originators of the term,( including the guys from periphery who first started saying it way back when to describe pickup tone "do those pickups djent?") insisting it is not a genre. Language evolves around us and takes on it's own meaning over time and despite their best wishes, Djent is in fact widely considered to be it's own Sub Genre of Metal right along with many others like Death, Melodic Death, Symphonic Death, Metal Core, Grind Core, Blast, and now Djent smile.gif


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post Sep 6 2011, 04:55 AM
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mmm what about Fear Factory? i thought they were the ones that iniciates this style (not as we know it today), i mean of course it has mutated a lot since the 80' (?)

what about haunted shores?, i saw the guitarist playing amazing guitar chords, very very weird

still waiting the Periphecy or djent style lesson biggrin.gif


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post Sep 6 2011, 07:08 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 6 2011, 02:44 AM) *
Well said smile.gif It started as a way to describe palm muting heavy chunky syncopated rythms and has somehow morphed in to being a full on description and even used as a Genre term now. Despite many of the originators of the term,( including the guys from periphery who first started saying it way back when to describe pickup tone "do those pickups djent?") insisting it is not a genre. Language evolves around us and takes on it's own meaning over time and despite their best wishes, Djent is in fact widely considered to be it's own Sub Genre of Metal right along with many others like Death, Melodic Death, Symphonic Death, Metal Core, Grind Core, Blast, and now Djent smile.gif


Hey Todd! smile.gif you are very right indeed - I modified the post wink.gif it is indeed a sub-genre of metal, the youngest one I believe smile.gif

QUOTE (El Fortinero @ Sep 6 2011, 03:55 AM) *
mmm what about Fear Factory? i thought they were the ones that iniciates this style (not as we know it today), i mean of course it has mutated a lot since the 80' (?)

what about haunted shores?, i saw the guitarist playing amazing guitar chords, very very weird

still waiting the Periphecy or djent style lesson biggrin.gif


It'll come mate biggrin.gif don't worry wink.gif as for Fear Factory, I think they too had a great influence on the style, but somehow people tend to neglect that....I never understood why either sad.gif


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post Sep 6 2011, 07:41 AM
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To prove Nahuel's words, here's Fear Factory (note that this was happening back in 1995):



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post Sep 6 2011, 03:22 PM
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Wou, I haven't heard FF in a long time, awesome smile.gif

Cosmin, how bout some cool djent lesson? smile.gif


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post Sep 6 2011, 03:53 PM
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I think death metal is a big influence on this style too.

This song has some djent on it! tongue.gif



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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 6 2011, 03:22 PM) *
Wou, I haven't heard FF in a long time, awesome smile.gif

Cosmin, how bout some cool djent lesson? smile.gif


And some fear factory lessons wink.gif cant go wrong there


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post Sep 6 2011, 06:27 PM
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Great posts Cosmin! I knew all this bands... I also note that they are a natural evolution of previous styles like Death, Trash, Industrial. However I have discovered the word "Djent" some days ago here at the forum.


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What a ?! Lad(ies) genre is skipped !?! biggrin.gif


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I will most definitely make up a Djent lesson! smile.gif time to put the ol' brainer to work tongue.gif

As I was saying, Devin Townsend had a huge influence over djent bands, in respect to the fact that he brought the melodic feel and the spaciness of the style - when I say spaciness, I mean that djent sounds 'very big' usually and this is given in a big part by the fact that djent bands use layering as a song orchestrating technique.

Layering - technique used in orchestration which adds vertical layers of different instrument tracks, in order to create a huge wall of sound.

This is a song dating from 1998, found on Devin Townsend's album called 'Infinity' - you may hear the djent roots sprouting in here smile.gif



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Sounds very interesting, although the guitar tones need to be more djenty on this one. But very nice point on layering smile.gif


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post Sep 8 2011, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 8 2011, 08:30 AM) *
Sounds very interesting, although the guitar tones need to be more djenty on this one. But very nice point on layering smile.gif


biggrin.gif well, Devin was responsible with the melodic part from the final mix which evolved over the years tongue.gif


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That's a great concept! It sounds great in studio albums but it must be difficult to create it live. How do the do Cosmin? Do they play over some tracks? Do the use many musicians live? or they use loop pedals?


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It's difficult to create that sound on stage yeah, I think they use some processing power, in combination with good hi gain amps. The sound cannot be that rigid live tho, as the space lets the sound "breathe" and dissipates a bit. My guess is that they try to keep it as tight as it can be smile.gif


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 8 2011, 03:15 PM) *
It's difficult to create that sound on stage yeah, I think they use some processing power, in combination with good hi gain amps. The sound cannot be that rigid live tho, as the space lets the sound "breathe" and dissipates a bit. My guess is that they try to keep it as tight as it can be smile.gif


I know for certain that a lot of these folks use tracks on stage creating that wall of sound over which the and itself plays the instruments. I used to do that with my first band - Evo. Not at that level of course, but we used tracks over which we played smile.gif that's the recipe usually, or a very elaborate crew that can recreate a lot of sounds live biggrin.gif that can also be an option wink.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 8 2011, 12:31 PM) *
I know for certain that a lot of these folks use tracks on stage creating that wall of sound over which the and itself plays the instruments. I used to do that with my first band - Evo. Not at that level of course, but we used tracks over which we played smile.gif that's the recipe usually, or a very elaborate crew that can recreate a lot of sounds live biggrin.gif that can also be an option wink.gif



yeah, that's a good trick. I use tracks with Cirse live for the electronic arrangements. We use an ipod for it. smile.gif


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I know that this is metal, and I love metal more than the next guy; but I think that a melodic band that really helped people understand how to layer their tracks(in modern times) is Circa Survive. I can't think of a track that doesn't have a lot of layers. The track that I think stands out the most is 'House of Leaves'. However, they layer the hell out of every single song. They recreate every effect live, though. It seems that delay really can create a wall of luscious noises to get lost in. They do it all without losing a single ounce of guitar tone too!


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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Sep 9 2011, 04:23 AM) *
I know that this is metal, and I love metal more than the next guy; but I think that a melodic band that really helped people understand how to layer their tracks(in modern times) is Circa Survive. I can't think of a track that doesn't have a lot of layers. The track that I think stands out the most is 'House of Leaves'. However, they layer the hell out of every single song. They recreate every effect live, though. It seems that delay really can create a wall of luscious noises to get lost in. They do it all without losing a single ounce of guitar tone too!


WOW! Dude! You know Circa Survive!!:D I thought I was the only person listening to those guys! laugh.gif They are so great! biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 9 2011, 06:39 AM) *
WOW! Dude! You know Circa Survive!!:D I thought I was the only person listening to those guys! laugh.gif They are so great! biggrin.gif


I am an hour away from Los Angeles XD. I make it a point to see most of the bands that come through here. I remember when Anthony Green was singing for Saosin. Believe it or not, Beau Burchell(singer and rhythm guitarist) lives down the street from my dad!

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