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Cosmin Lupu
post Sep 8 2011, 04:59 PM
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Since it's truly a never ending subject, let's see what you guys think would be the greatest problem you're facing when it comes to the dreaded modes! smile.gif



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post Sep 8 2011, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 8 2011, 03:59 PM) *
Since it's truly a never ending subject, let's see what you guys think would be the greatest problem you're facing when it comes to the dreaded modes! smile.gif


Would a mode be better suited for it's own key(i.e. D minor/D Dorian)? Or would I be better off using that D Dorian in a C Major key?


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post Sep 8 2011, 07:34 PM
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I guess it depends on the context - I usually look at modes as different sound textures, so if I want to highlight a certain flavor over a chord i choose some notes belonging to a mode who'll provide the needed flavor. if you have a Dm7 vamp you can jam Dorian over it until you drop but if you have a Dm7 G7 CM7 progression, you can highlight the Dorian mode and the Mixolydian mode and conclude in the Ionian mode if you'd like - I see it as a matter of note choices smile.gif


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post Sep 8 2011, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 8 2011, 06:34 PM) *
I guess it depends on the context - I usually look at modes as different sound textures, so if I want to highlight a certain flavor over a chord i choose some notes belonging to a mode who'll provide the needed flavor. if you have a Dm7 vamp you can jam Dorian over it until you drop but if you have a Dm7 G7 CM7 progression, you can highlight the Dorian mode and the Mixolydian mode and conclude in the Ionian mode if you'd like - I see it as a matter of note choices smile.gif


Thanks! I had actually been thinking about this question for a few days. This was the perfect thread.


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post Sep 8 2011, 08:01 PM
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i understand the thoery behind it
i but i have a hard time applying them :c guess i am to lazy to memorize some scales forms and stuff


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post Sep 8 2011, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Sep 8 2011, 07:01 PM) *
i understand the thoery behind it
i but i have a hard time applying them :c guess i am to lazy to memorize some scales forms and stuff


If you map them out the way they do in the guitar grimoire, then learning the shapes is super simple!


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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Sep 8 2011, 08:41 PM) *
If you map them out the way they do in the guitar grimoire, then learning the shapes is super simple!



still that doesn't solve my lazyness ahah


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post Sep 8 2011, 09:42 PM
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We just had a little exercise in the v-chat who allows you to listen to the differences between certain modes in a harmonic context biggrin.gif you'll find details in the v-chat topics thread in the following days!


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 8 2011, 08:42 PM) *
We just had a little exercise in the v-chat who allows you to listen to the differences between certain modes in a harmonic context biggrin.gif you'll find details in the v-chat topics thread in the following days!


Thanks Cosmin! I am always at work when the V-chats go on, so I never get to see them.


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post Sep 8 2011, 10:53 PM
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One of the biggest problems I have is recognizing modes.
If you're talking about E minor (E aeolian) a song can sound what I could call 'somewhat sad'.
But another song, using the same key and scale, sounds 'heartbreaking melodramatic'.

I understand that the essence lies mostly in the chord progression (Em-C-G-Em versus Em-Bm-F#dim-Em) for instance (iirc, the latter sounds alot sadder). But sometimes it's just hard finding the tonal center (or tonic/key) and figuring out the scale just by listening.

Is there any kind of trick/rule of thumb that can be used?


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post Sep 9 2011, 02:41 AM
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You can help your ear training by just listening to a song and picking up your guitar and trying to find the "Root" note. Once you find it, take a stab at the scale, see how many scales you fit over the song. Which ones sound better? Just practicing this "By Ear" method can really help.



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post Sep 9 2011, 03:40 AM
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May i ask about chords theory not related with the modes??.................

So, in a minor scale: the first chord is a minor, the second diminshed, third major, fourth and fifth minor, and sixth and seventh major

in a major scale the chords armony is 1:major, 2minor, 3 minor, 4 y 5 major, 6 minor and 7 diminshed

so far so good, my question is: when and where I can add a maj or min 7 ?, is there any rules? for instance, "if you change the X chord for a maj o min 7 you will get "a blues " cadence........ i know that i colud add to the fifth grade chord in a major scale a 7th minor but really don't know how to "Mix" this things... i am not sure if it is clear what i am trying to say..... Otherwise, i ´ll try it to say again with differnt words.
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post Sep 9 2011, 04:04 AM
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QUOTE (El Fortinero @ Sep 9 2011, 02:40 AM) *
May i ask about chords theory not related with the modes??.................

So, in a minor scale: the first chord is a minor, the second diminshed, third major, fourth and fifth minor, and sixth and seventh major

in a major scale the chords armony is 1:major, 2minor, 3 minor, 4 y 5 major, 6 minor and 7 diminshed

so far so good, my question is: when and where I can add a maj or min 7 ?, is there any rules? for instance, "if you change the X chord for a maj o min 7 you will get "a blues " cadence........ i know that i colud add to the fifth grade chord in a major scale a 7th minor but really don't know how to "Mix" this things... i am not sure if it is clear what i am trying to say..... Otherwise, i ´ll try it to say again with differnt words.
Muchas gracias smile.gif Cosmin!

Going with a Major scale the 7th harmony is as follows.....

I=Maj7
ii= min7
iii=min7
IV=Maj7
V= Dom7
vi=min7
vii*=min7b5
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post Sep 9 2011, 04:36 AM
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I think it's all about experimenting with them, spending time discover the sound of each mode, and that's how you get familiarized with them


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QUOTE (Satchstet @ Sep 9 2011, 03:04 AM) *
Going with a Major scale the 7th harmony is as follows.....

I=Maj7
ii= min7
iii=min7
IV=Maj7
V= Dom7
vi=min7
vii*=min7b5


Yup, correct! This is the way you can harmonize the major scale by using chords which include the 7th!


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post Sep 9 2011, 08:29 AM
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Well, the problem I had before is because I wasn't really honest to myself. I needed to really sit down, learn each mode individually on the neck, play some chords, see what mode works over what it's very important. In general, I don't think modes are so "important", these are only ranges of notes. I think people have most problems in connecting complete patterns with chordal positions. Once a player determines what chord belongs to what key, modes are piece of cake.

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