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Cosmin Lupu
post Oct 12 2011, 10:55 AM
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biggrin.gif let's play A Game of Modes!

First question!

What note creates the characteristic sound of the F Lydian mode?


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post Oct 12 2011, 11:59 AM
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So the Lydian is 1 2 3 4# 5 6 7

The F Major scale is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

F(1) G(2) A(3) A#(4) C(5) D(6) E(7)

The characteristic "interval" is the 4# aka 5b

so F Lydian goes like - F G A B/Cb C D E

The Answer is B/Cb

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post Oct 12 2011, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Oct 12 2011, 10:59 AM) *
So the Lydian is 1 2 3 4# 5 6 7

The F Major scale is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

F(1) G(2) A(3) A#(4) C(5) D(6) E(7)

The characteristic "interval" is the 4# aka 5b

so F Lydian goes like - F G A B/Cb C D E

The Answer is B/Cb


Super awesome mate biggrin.gif you got it right!

I'll try to update this thread with questions as often as possible! And hope to imagine some difficult ones as well tongue.gif

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:06 PM
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Here's a song that hammers that mode in!



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post Oct 12 2011, 04:20 PM
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Great idea! This is one of my favourite modes. I love the sound of that characteristic note.


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post Oct 12 2011, 06:19 PM
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Perhaps I can ask the next question? smile.gif It will be slightly more difficult:

We hear Bb major 7th chord playing in the background. There are two modes available on top of that chord. What two modes?

Bonus question: What keys are these modes from?

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post Oct 12 2011, 06:30 PM
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Bb Ionian and Eb Lydian.



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post Oct 12 2011, 10:40 PM
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Hmmm....regarding Ivan's question I was thinking the answer would be B Flat Ionian, which would be in the key of B Flat major, and B Flat Lydian, which would be the key of F major, but thats just kind of a wild guess rolleyes.gif


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post Oct 13 2011, 12:03 AM
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Bb Ionian and Bb lydian........... smile.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 12:47 AM
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Y'know, after the different answers, I'm not sure anymore! What's the reasoning behind your answers?

We know it's Lydian and Ionian because of the 7 (not b7), and all our Lydian key suggestions contain A#, D, F and G (the chord tones), so what makes one answer different from the rest?

I'd love an explanation, thanks smile.gif

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post Oct 13 2011, 08:38 PM
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No worries, Cosmin explained the answer in a chat, I misunderstood.


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post Oct 13 2011, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (dark dude @ Oct 13 2011, 07:38 PM) *
No worries, Cosmin explained the answer in a chat, I misunderstood.


I'll cook up another one for tomorrow biggrin.gif


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post Oct 14 2011, 10:31 AM
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Let's see...What note would bring out the Lydian sound over this progression:

Amaj add 9 Bmaj add 11 C# min

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post Oct 14 2011, 01:08 PM
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I recommend that people leave their answers in WHITE TEXT (making it invisible, unless you highlight it), so that people can attempt the question without ruining it for everybody else.

So [GMCcolor="#FFFFFF"]ANSWER HERE[/color] , after removing 'GMC' would become: ANSWER HERE smile.gif


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post Oct 14 2011, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 14 2011, 09:31 AM) *
Let's see...What note would bring out the Lydian sound over this progression:

Amaj add 9 Bmaj add 11 C# min

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The only way you could find two major chords a whole step apart in the same key is starting from the 4th which happens to be the degree that the lydian mode is built on. So this progression could be considered a progression in the key of A lydian. The characteristic note in the lydian mode is the #4. In the case of A lydian the #4 is D#. Here is how you can visually figure that out.

For the major modes.......Ionian, Lydian and Mixolydian...... you always use the Ionian mode as the mode of comparison or think of it as the parent mode.

So......

A Ionian= A--B--C#--D--E--F#--G#.........The 4th degree is D in this case.

To convert A Ionian to A lydian we simply raise the 4th degree a half step.

So....

A Lydian= A--B--C#--D#--E--F#--G#..........So the characteristic note of A lydian happens to be D#.

To take this one step further you will notice that D# will appear in three different triads when you harmonize the A lydian mode.

D#maj.......D# is the root
B maj------D# is the 3rd
G# min-----D# is the 5th

So to really get a lydian sounding chord progression you could also focus on those 3 chords in conjunction with the A major chord.....notice that none of those chords are found in A ionian.


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post Oct 14 2011, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (Satchstet @ Oct 14 2011, 01:14 PM) *
The only way you could find two major chords a whole step apart in the same key is starting from the 4th which happens to be the degree that the lydian mode is built on. So this progression could be considered a progression in the key of A lydian. The characteristic note in the lydian mode is the #4. In the case of A lydian the #4 is D#. Here is how you can visually figure that out.

For the major modes.......Ionian, Lydian and Mixolydian...... you always use the Ionian mode as the mode of comparison or think of it as the parent mode.

So......

A Ionian= A--B--C#--D--E--F#--G#.........The 4th degree is D in this case.

To convert A Ionian to A lydian we simply raise the 4th degree a half step.

So....

A Lydian= A--B--C#--D#--E--F#--G#..........So the characteristic note of A lydian happens to be D#.

To take this one step further you will notice that D# will appear in three different triads when you harmonize the A lydian mode.

D#maj.......D# is the root
B maj------D# is the 3rd
G# min-----D# is the 5th

So to really get a lydian sounding chord progression you could also focus on those 3 chords in conjunction with the A major chord.....notice that none of those chords are found in A ionian.


Clear as mud???..... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


As near as I can understand it I think I agree Sachstet! biggrin.gif having two major chords that close together can only mean that they are built on the forth and fifth degrees of the major scale since in any major scale 1,4, and 5 are major. so if we trace this back down we see that this progression comes from the E major scale. E major has 4 sharps, and A is the forth degree, and corresponds to the Lydian Mode. technically speaking the question asks what note would bring out the lydian sound over this progression and that note would have to be the sharp 4, since that defines the sound of the lydian mode.In this case it would be D#, and you would emphasize that note in order to have a truly lydian sound.....I Think! tongue.gif

P.S. I got what you are saying in your post, except the part where you talk about taking it one step further and talking about the different triads used to harmonize the a lydian mode. I understand using B major and G Minor, since they come from the parent key of E major, but how can we use D# major? Not being critical, just curious. smile.gif These question are great, and hopefully I can begin to understand modes better through trying to answer them.
















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QUOTE (casinostrat @ Oct 14 2011, 04:44 PM) *
P.S. I got what you are saying in your post, except the part where you talk about taking it one step further and talking about the different triads used to harmonize the a lydian mode. I understand using B major and G Minor, since they come from the parent key of E major, but how can we use D# major? Not being critical, just curious. smile.gif These question are great, and hopefully I can begin to understand modes better through trying to answer them.


Sorry about that.......that was my mistake......D# would be the Root of D# diminished....... tongue.gif It was early when I posted that and i hadn't had my coffee yet....... laugh.gif laugh.gif




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QUOTE (Satchstet @ Oct 14 2011, 09:30 PM) *
Sorry about that.......that was my mistake......D# would be the Root of D# diminished....... tongue.gif It was early when I posted that and i hadn't had my coffee yet....... laugh.gif laugh.gif


I completely understand... I was drinking mine while I was trying to figure out the answer to this question tongue.gif It takes me about two cups to become fully awake. D# diminished makes makes more sense because of the fact that D# is diminished within the key of E Major. I kinda figured you meant D# Diminished, but I thought I'd ask just in case there was some rule of modes I was neglecting or just plain didn't know about. Thanks for clearing it up for me!


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post Oct 15 2011, 07:01 AM
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It seems this thread is going to be a very interesting one biggrin.gif


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post Oct 19 2011, 06:58 AM
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Write down chord progressions (short ones) which are most suitable for emphasizing the Mixolydian mode! Tell us why you chose them as well tongue.gif


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