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Frankster
post Nov 19 2011, 09:08 PM
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Hi folks!

I need your help wink.gif

I joined a new band and now my job is to play the lead guitar.

The most time I only jammed with people, but now I have to find a structured format huh.gif

The band consists of
1 x drums
1 x bass
1 x rythmn guitar
1 x singer

They have complete songs, and now I should find a cool melody / riff and solo over the track.

How to start ?
- I know the chords
- I know the key
- I know the pentatonic / scale

Are there any theoretical tips ?
Are there any special lessons ?
How to analyse a song ?

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post Nov 19 2011, 09:49 PM
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well i use my Shower Time, when i need to compose somethin; i just go take a shower and start to think, what does the backing track asks for, what do i would like to ear and then i try to transcribe that to the guitar.

but this is just me being too lazy to learn theory and stuff, i am sure other people answers will help you tongue.gif

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post Nov 19 2011, 10:00 PM
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https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&id=24001
this is one of my favorite solo that I did
it is filled with melodies from the vocals and the rhythm guitar
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post Nov 19 2011, 10:04 PM
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The thing isn't complex to much, I'll try to answer:
On the first place - experimenting a bit around . Knowledge of pentatonic scales is enough to start, but you have to continue further with different scale training. Songs need to have some kind of structure and some cool riffs so if you're looking for something specific don't be afraid of experiementing with different chords or notes to get that sound.Let members listen in on you as you're developing a song. Also don't be afraid of taking suggestions from members of your band - you're in it together and as such need to bounce ideas constantly off one another to stay strong as a group.
How to analyze a song: here on the site you will find plenty of material about it. You would need to know the structure of progression.
Modal progression - when you learn all of the modes, it will be much clearer for you which scales you can use it and customize it.

What genre you play? Do you have a demo? so maybe you could upload some that we can hear and assist in particular wink.gif


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post Nov 19 2011, 10:36 PM
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Some simple tips smile.gif

1.)Land on the ROOT note frequently.

2.)Make sure any bends are in key.

3.)Less is more. Don't overplay, especially at the early stages where you are now. You may have to pull this off live so keep it simple.

4.)Try to stay in the scale (at first) later you can go crazy, for your first steps, stay in the scale the chord progression is in.

Just some simple things to do at the very start of soloing with a new band. Later you will scrap all of this. But now, here at the start, simplicity is key.


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post Nov 20 2011, 04:11 AM
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The first thing that I do when I have to arrange a song is to try to think, without the guitar, what melodies and ideas could work. I trust in my mind and ears.. I sing melodies over the song and then transpose them to my guitar. I don't think on scales of chords when I'm doing this... I just think in sounds...
another thing that you can do is just jamming using the pentatonic scale and try to find cool ideas. Record yourself when you are doing it if it's possible...


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post Nov 20 2011, 10:11 AM
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Listen to simliar bands, or songs,

Take ideas from them, no one really cares if it's a bit similar, and best yet, no one really notices


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post Nov 20 2011, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 20 2011, 09:11 AM) *
Listen to simliar bands, or songs,

Take ideas from them, no one really cares if it's a bit similar, and best yet, no one really notices


indeed, today i was listening to Symphony of Destruction's solo and i noticed that the beginnig is part of Little wing's from Hendrix


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post Nov 20 2011, 10:06 PM
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All great advices mentioned above. Probably the best advice I can give you is the one that is already mentioned: Keep it simple

Don't overdo it, just rely on a strong melody and something you can play perfectly while standing and on stage. The melody you make should be catchy. Use pentatonic scale, and work from there, it will be easier. Try to land on the roots of the chords you have, and it will be great. Record it and listen to it. If it sounds catchy, it's great.


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post Nov 20 2011, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 20 2011, 03:11 AM) *
The first thing that I do when I have to arrange a song is to try to think, without the guitar, what melodies and ideas could work. I trust in my mind and ears.. I sing melodies over the song and then transpose them to my guitar. I don't think on scales of chords when I'm doing this... I just think in sounds...
another thing that you can do is just jamming using the pentatonic scale and try to find cool ideas. Record yourself when you are doing it if it's possible...


My approach is the same as Gabe's regarding the singing of themes and solos using my voice! If I would go at it by playing the guitar, I would most probably end up playing stuff I usually play smile.gif which is not good biggrin.gif


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post Nov 21 2011, 02:53 AM
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Guitar Pro is also very cool to write, cuz then u can hear how the solo sounds like smile.gif and if you have the song in GP file, you can even see how it goes with the song.


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post Nov 21 2011, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Nov 21 2011, 01:53 AM) *
Guitar Pro is also very cool to write, cuz then u can hear how the solo sounds like smile.gif and if you have the song in GP file, you can even see how it goes with the song.


The problem with the GP, is that it alters sounds, making them mechanical enough not to allow you to perceive a solo in its entirety. Now the GP is a good tool for 'knowing where and how things happen in a song' but no more. At least that's what it is for me smile.gif


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post Nov 21 2011, 06:59 PM
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Many thanks for the tips!

But it isn´t only the solo.

What do you play over a rythm guitar.
Do you play some parts like the rythm guitar ?
I think you don´t play the whole time single notes or melodies.

Which technique, chords ..... do you play over the rythmn

- Play the song an octave higher
- Use double stop licks
- Play open chords
and so on.....

That is also my question.
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post Nov 21 2011, 07:45 PM
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It depends on the style and your abilities. What type of music do you play?


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post Nov 21 2011, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 21 2011, 07:27 AM) *
The problem with the GP, is that it alters sounds, making them mechanical enough not to allow you to perceive a solo in its entirety. Now the GP is a good tool for 'knowing where and how things happen in a song' but no more. At least that's what it is for me smile.gif

RSE plugin can make it a little betta!


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post Nov 21 2011, 08:38 PM
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I would start with playing what the singer is singing and then start modifying
you will have to practice this technique
but try starting with this and let me know how it is working
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post Nov 21 2011, 09:11 PM
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Great advice here. I would say talk to your band mates and ask them what they are looking for. If they say it's up to you, well then play what your heart wants you to play. But yes, please tell us what style you play. In a lot of rock/metal bands the lead guitarist will play simple melodies to compliment the rhythm. I know in some Contemporary Christian songs the lead guitarist sticks with small single note patterns.


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post Nov 28 2011, 07:28 PM
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Hi!

The typ of music is diffictult to describe, but I think its a mixture between crossover, alternative with a little bit of indie rock wink.gif

I will upload a sample as soon as possible

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post Nov 28 2011, 07:42 PM
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Also think about adding some arpeggios - you want to fill out what the rhythm guitar is doing without fighting it!


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