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llibach
post Dec 4 2011, 10:59 PM
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Anyone else out there get a weird tingling senseation in the fingers of the fretting hand after a practice session.
I get it mostly if I practice for over an hour and sometimes during pratice especially if I've been working on legato, sometimes it even happens the morning after a good practice session.
Is this down to bad form or is it normal ? It's never painfull but I Don't want it to become a problem and would rather get to grips with it now before it gets worst.
What are your experiences or post practice symptoms?
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post Dec 4 2011, 11:11 PM
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yes ,I have that happen as well . that also happens to my muscles when I work out so I was just chalking it up to using/introducing new muscle memory, there is no pain , so i am not worried- still I keep a watchful eye out
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post Dec 4 2011, 11:22 PM
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It can happen after intense practice sessions. I'm not an expert, so cannot tell you if this is not healthy, but, personally, I tend to avoid that stress on the fingers by making pauses and warming up. Better be safe then sorry.


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post Dec 5 2011, 12:24 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 4 2011, 10:22 PM) *
It can happen after intense practice sessions. I'm not an expert, so cannot tell you if this is not healthy, but, personally, I tend to avoid that stress on the fingers by making pauses and warming up. Better be safe then sorry.


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I have to agree with this statement. When I first started playing guitar for long periods of time, this happened. Are you stretching before you play? Are you warming up? If not, start doing it. You will avoid Tendonitis and a boat load of more horrible problems. Then, take mini-breaks during your playing. At the Julliard school of music they have their students working for 15 minutes, and then taking a 2-3 minute break because apparently, that is the longest your brain can focus at maximum levels. Plus, it allows them to relieve their muscles a little bit. Try it out. I can honestly say it helps because I practice for 11 and a half hours a day, and without those mini-breaks(as well as 5-10 minutes between every hour), it would not be possible.

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post Dec 5 2011, 02:36 AM
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Well said smile.gif In my Saturday Video Chats, we always spend time doing some hand/finger stretches, then some warmup playing before getting in to the lesson. If you start playing cold, you can do some long term damage after a while. So always warm up, and always stretch. Then, try to do some light stretches after your done and drink plenty of water. It helps flush out toxins your muscles create. If you notice swelling, tension in your forearms, maybe run an ice cube over the area ( or a bag of frozen peas like Ben Higgins) this reduces swelling. I'm not a doctor and can't give medical advice, just a player who has suffered injury from playing.

I found out the hard way that hours and hours of intense shredding can wreck your arms/hands and fingers! You get one pair of hands per life. Take good care of them smile.gif Here are some stretches I do every day before practice.

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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Dec 4 2011, 06:24 PM) *
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I have to agree with this statement. When I first started playing guitar for long periods of time, this happened. Are you stretching before you play? Are you warming up? If not, start doing it. You will avoid Tendonitis and a boat load of more horrible problems. Then, take mini-breaks during your playing. At the Julliard school of music they have their students working for 15 minutes, and then taking a 2-3 minute break because apparently, that is the longest your brain can focus at maximum levels. Plus, it allows them to relieve their muscles a little bit. Try it out. I can honestly say it helps because I practice for 11 and a half hours a day, and without those mini-breaks(as well as 5-10 minutes between every hour), it would not be possible.



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post Dec 5 2011, 03:04 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 4 2011, 08:36 PM) *
Well said smile.gif In my Saturday Video Chats, we always spend time doing some hand/finger stretches, then some warmup playing before getting in to the lesson. If you start playing cold, you can do some long term damage after a while. So always warm up, and always stretch. Then, try to do some light stretches after your done and drink plenty of water. It helps flush out toxins your muscles create. If you notice swelling, tension in your forearms, maybe run an ice cube over the area ( or a bag of frozen peas like Ben Higgins) this reduces swelling. I'm not a doctor and can't give medical advice, just a player who has suffered injury from playing.

I found out the hard way that hours and hours of intense shredding can wreck your arms/hands and fingers! You get one pair of hands per life. Take good care of them smile.gif Here are some stretches I do every day before practice.

*DON"T DO IT IF IT HURTS (playing or stretching)
*DON"T PUSH THE STRETCH TO PAIN
*DON"T BOUNCE THE STRETCH



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Since doing more warmup and the stretches Todd described plus always take a short 5 minute break after 45 min the sensation you describe I do not experience anymore.
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post Dec 5 2011, 04:39 AM
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it's probably not a good thing to have these symptoms. I mean, of course you feel a bit tingly after practicing a lot, but it shouldn't be to the point of bothering you,


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post Dec 5 2011, 10:52 AM
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Usually we can expect a warm, pumped, tingly feeling after working muscles hard.. sometimes if we get it the next day, it could be because we've woken up from being in a static sleeping positon and the blood is coming back to our tired muscles. But as the guys said, just keep an eye on it. If it's being accompanied by pain, then it's probably been overworked and needs a rest.

It may not be anything to worry about but use it as an opportunity to excercise vigilance over how you train your hands.

While we're on the subject of tingling hands, always beware of your sleeping positions.. if you sleep on your arm/hand this can compress neverves and if you sleep with your arm in a bent position this can lead to a nasty condition know as cubital tunnel syndrome (not carpal, that's another nasty one which Todd has experienced). Forewarned is forearmed ! smile.gif


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post Dec 5 2011, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Dec 5 2011, 09:52 AM) *
Usually we can expect a warm, pumped, tingly feeling after working muscles hard.. sometimes if we get it the next day, it could be because we've woken up from being in a static sleeping positon and the blood is coming back to our tired muscles. But as the guys said, just keep an eye on it. If it's being accompanied by pain, then it's probably been overworked and needs a rest.

It may not be anything to worry about but use it as an opportunity to excercise vigilance over how you train your hands.

While we're on the subject of tingling hands, always beware of your sleeping positions.. if you sleep on your arm/hand this can compress neverves and if you sleep with your arm in a bent position this can lead to a nasty condition know as cubital tunnel syndrome (not carpal, that's another nasty one which Todd has experienced). Forewarned is forearmed ! smile.gif


I have had Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. I got it from working in front of a computer all day rolleyes.gif

Trust me, it is a horrible experience. Do everything you can to never get it!


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post Dec 5 2011, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Dec 5 2011, 09:56 AM) *
I have had Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. I got it from working in front of a computer all day rolleyes.gif

Trust me, it is a horrible experience. Do everything you can to never get it!


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post Dec 5 2011, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Dec 5 2011, 10:31 AM) *
Bogus mellow.gif That must have sucked immensely ! dry.gif


I couldn't play guitar for about a week. I didn't know what to do with myself! I had so much free time. I settled on reading, because even simple things like opening doors and holding a video game controller hurt. It did force me to do a lot of research and now I have a LONG warm-up/stretch routine. I don't think anyone who does my warm-up should ever fear Carpal Tunnel.


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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Dec 5 2011, 10:39 AM) *
I couldn't play guitar for about a week. I didn't know what to do with myself! I had so much free time. I settled on reading, because even simple things like opening doors and holding a video game controller hurt. It did force me to do a lot of research and now I have a LONG warm-up/stretch routine. I don't think anyone who does my warm-up should ever fear Carpal Tunnel.


What does your warm-up routine contain mate?


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post Dec 5 2011, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 5 2011, 11:33 AM) *
What does your warm-up routine contain mate?


10.5 Minutes of finger/wrist/arm stretches, followed by a very interesting routine my choir teacher in high school taught me to get the circulation flowing, and then an hour and fifteen minutes of warming up on the fretboard. I can make some youtube videos if anyone is interested.


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I used to feel some pain on the muscles after long and intense practice sessions. I think that it's normal but it won't be bad if you could check with an specialist.


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post Dec 5 2011, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Dec 5 2011, 12:11 PM) *
10.5 Minutes of finger/wrist/arm stretches, followed by a very interesting routine my choir teacher in high school taught me to get the circulation flowing, and then an hour and fifteen minutes of warming up on the fretboard. I can make some youtube videos if anyone is interested.


That one with the blood flow would be very interesting to see smile.gif


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post Dec 5 2011, 07:18 PM
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Thanks for all the advice guys. It's never painfull but and annoyance. Got to admit I do warm up running through scales and a bit of chromatic work but not streching so will start to apply that into my practice. I've played competitive sport for over 15 years where streching and warming up was one of the most important factors, guess I should have applied the same principles to my guitar work and will from now on.
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post Dec 5 2011, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 5 2011, 04:02 PM) *
That one with the blood flow would be very interesting to see smile.gif


I can make that tonight after work!


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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Dec 5 2011, 09:55 PM) *
I can make that tonight after work!


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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Dec 5 2011, 04:56 AM) *
I have had Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. I got it from working in front of a computer all day rolleyes.gif

Trust me, it is a horrible experience. Do everything you can to never get it!


I feel your pain. I work on a computer a ton and practice a ton so (as Ben mentioned) I came down with carpal tunnel in both arms sadly. It really taught me a valuable lesson. It's amazing how extreme pain can be such a good teacher smile.gif I learned to stretch, warmup, cool down, drink lots of water, increase in increments, not all at once, etc.

Essentially things that athletes learn along the way smile.gif Tons of which applies to learning music as well. It's a mental activity but it's also very physical so your body plays a big part.

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Thanks for reminding me that I should empty my bottle of water more often smile.gif drinking water is good for many things!


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