Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Symphonic Metal, I need your help :)
Dinaga
post Jan 6 2012, 10:02 PM
Post #1


Learning Tone Seeker
*

Group: Members
Posts: 627
Joined: 7-August 11
From: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina
Member No.: 13.558



Hi people, I need your advice on this one. smile.gif

I'd like to try something new in my musical journey, so I need some starting points. I'm about to join a symphonic metal band. The problem is... I never really played that kind of metal, and my only connection with symphonic metal is Nightwish. But I'm supposed to write wongs and, of course, solos to accompany those songs. For example, we recorded out first demo song today, and I was supposed to pull off a solo without any preparation. So I played what was on the top of my head, and it was pretty much a classic heavy metal solo, which wasn't fitting here at all.

So, I'd really appreciate some directions, like what scales and chord progressions are most common, and what other bands should I give a listen. Is neoclassical approach good here?

Thanks a lot in advance, cheers. smile.gif

This post has been edited by Dinaga: Jan 6 2012, 10:34 PM


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Gitarrero
post Jan 6 2012, 10:34 PM
Post #2


Accomplished Rock Star
Group Icon

Group: Student Instructor
Posts: 4.052
Joined: 24-June 08
From: Rottweil, Germany
Member No.: 5.361



Can't really give you advice on the technical stuff, but check out these bands:

Within Temptation
Epica
Leaves Eyes
Xandria
After Forever
Sirenia
Seasons End

Now I don't listen to this stuff that often, but have seen some of these bands at festivals and like a bunch of songs from them. Some of them don't really use guitar solos, maybe they just don't fit sometimes?
I'm sure Todd can give you great advice on this, I know he really digs this style.

Christian

This post has been edited by Gitarrero: Jan 6 2012, 10:34 PM


--------------------
Check my band project with fellow GMCer VilleFIN
Facebook
Youtube
Soundcloud
Twitter
Instagram



Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
quadrium
post Jan 6 2012, 10:56 PM
Post #3


Learning Rock Star
Group Icon

Group: MVC
Posts: 1.077
Joined: 16-October 10
From: Bursa,Turkey
Member No.: 11.399



QUOTE (Dinaga @ Jan 6 2012, 09:02 PM) *
So, I'd really appreciate some directions, like what scales and chord progressions are most common, and what other bands should I give a listen. Is neoclassical approach good here?

Thanks a lot in advance, cheers. smile.gif


Maybe you can listen Rhapsody of Fire. I love them a lot! Their guitarist Luca Turilli always uses neoclassical stuff. As for scale, you can try Harmonic Minor i guess. Hope that helps a bit smile.gif



Cheers,
Dogukan.

This post has been edited by quadrium: Jan 6 2012, 11:04 PM


--------------------

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Check my Soundcloud page from HERE

(Please Subscribe to) My Youtube Channel from HERE

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
TeoWulf
post Jan 6 2012, 11:38 PM
Post #4


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 256
Joined: 5-October 11
From: Hungary
Member No.: 14.062



I don't really think you could fit in with neoclassical stuff, that thing only goes well for Luca...

Do you have male or female vocalist?

Try listening to some of Blind Guardian's more symphonic stuff, you can find great ideas there. Also there are a lot of good solos in Nightwish songs, and they are pretty much like "classical metal".
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Dinaga
post Jan 6 2012, 11:52 PM
Post #5


Learning Tone Seeker
*

Group: Members
Posts: 627
Joined: 7-August 11
From: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina
Member No.: 13.558



Thanks a lot for your replies guys. I'm checking these bands you recommended right now. smile.gif

@TeoWulf: The vocalist is female. smile.gif

This post has been edited by Dinaga: Jan 6 2012, 11:52 PM


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Todd Simpson
post Jan 7 2012, 06:07 AM
Post #6


GMC:er
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 14.486
Joined: 23-December 09
From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Member No.: 8.794



Congrats! Nightwish is a great band and a great example of the form and a good place for inspiration. As far as scales, learn these

MINOR
BLUES
HARMONIC MINOR

in a couple or few postions on the neck. Those three scales will cover a TON of ground for you.

Todd


QUOTE (Dinaga @ Jan 6 2012, 04:02 PM) *
Hi people, I need your advice on this one. smile.gif

I'd like to try something new in my musical journey, so I need some starting points. I'm about to join a symphonic metal band. The problem is... I never really played that kind of metal, and my only connection with symphonic metal is Nightwish. But I'm supposed to write wongs and, of course, solos to accompany those songs. For example, we recorded out first demo song today, and I was supposed to pull off a solo without any preparation. So I played what was on the top of my head, and it was pretty much a classic heavy metal solo, which wasn't fitting here at all.

So, I'd really appreciate some directions, like what scales and chord progressions are most common, and what other bands should I give a listen. Is neoclassical approach good here?

Thanks a lot in advance, cheers. smile.gif



--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Dinaga
post Jan 7 2012, 11:34 AM
Post #7


Learning Tone Seeker
*

Group: Members
Posts: 627
Joined: 7-August 11
From: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina
Member No.: 13.558



QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jan 7 2012, 06:07 AM) *
Congrats! Nightwish is a great band and a great example of the form and a good place for inspiration. As far as scales, learn these

MINOR
BLUES
HARMONIC MINOR

in a couple or few postions on the neck. Those three scales will cover a TON of ground for you.

Todd


Thanks mate! smile.gif Wow, I'm kind of surprised, I didn't really expect the blues scale biggrin.gif I guess I'll have to study more. smile.gif


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Cosmin Lupu
post Jan 7 2012, 12:21 PM
Post #8


Instructor
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 22.808
Joined: 14-June 10
From: Bucharest
Member No.: 10.636



Mate, the approach I'd have, would be to listen to A LOT of music oriented in that direction in order to hear intricacies, details, structures, forms whatever makes that style a style wink.gif

Then take Todd's advice into account, as those scales can cover a lot of ground in this direction!

All the best and may your journey be a swift one wink.gif


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Alexiaden93
post Jan 16 2012, 07:31 AM
Post #9


Learning Rock Star
*

Group: Members
Posts: 1.518
Joined: 16-April 09
From: Sandnes, Norway
Member No.: 7.072



There are many different kinds of Symphonic Metal. Symphony X is extremely technical and complex both rhythmically and theoretically. Avantasia (Tobias Sammet from Edguy) is extremely tasty and only brings the most melodic aspects of metal into their music. Dream Theater isn't technically symphonic metal, but they too have many concepts that you can apply to your own playing.

I'm not sure. I don't like putting music into boxes, but at least you have some suggestions. smile.gif


--------------------
My YouTube Channel
Lost in all the 2000+ GMC lessons? Check my Lesson Plan


Guitars
Fender American Standard Stratocaster - Olympic White body, Maple fretboard, White Pearl pickguard, 21 frets, SSS
Yamaha Pacifica

Amplifier
Marshall 15CDR, 45 watts


Recording equipment/software
Line 6 POD Studio GX
Logitech QuickCam Pro 9000
Reaper v3.04
Sony Vegas Pro 8.0
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Dinaga
post Jan 16 2012, 07:35 AM
Post #10


Learning Tone Seeker
*

Group: Members
Posts: 627
Joined: 7-August 11
From: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina
Member No.: 13.558



Thanks a lot guys. smile.gif I'm finished with composing my first solo for the band, I borrowed some stuff from neoclassical metal though. Will share when I practice it enough, and also I'll post our song here when we get it recorded so you can tell if we're heading the right way. smile.gif

This post has been edited by Dinaga: Jan 16 2012, 07:36 AM


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Cosmin Lupu
post Jan 16 2012, 09:27 AM
Post #11


Instructor
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 22.808
Joined: 14-June 10
From: Bucharest
Member No.: 10.636



QUOTE (Dinaga @ Jan 16 2012, 06:35 AM) *
Thanks a lot guys. smile.gif I'm finished with composing my first solo for the band, I borrowed some stuff from neoclassical metal though. Will share when I practice it enough, and also I'll post our song here when we get it recorded so you can tell if we're heading the right way. smile.gif


Looking forward to it mate! smile.gif do not limit yourself to anything, as long as you make it fit with the musical context wink.gif

This post has been edited by Cosmin Lupu: Jan 16 2012, 09:28 AM


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Dinaga
post Jan 19 2012, 10:31 PM
Post #12


Learning Tone Seeker
*

Group: Members
Posts: 627
Joined: 7-August 11
From: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina
Member No.: 13.558



Hey people, just wanted to share with you that our first song is almost done. smile.gif
We recorded bass, keyboard and guitar parts. In this version of the song are just some lame drum samples from EZdrummer which I put just so it doesn't sound empty, but our drummer will make more creative drums soon. And we need to record the vocals.

I'm the one who's doing the mastering and it's the first time I'm in charge of a song production so bear with me. biggrin.gif When I was in my former bands, we usually just recorded everything and then paid someone to do the production but now my goal is to learn it so we can save money and gain knowledge, and it will (hopefully) make everything easier, plus give us the freedom to finish the song the way we want to.

Here's what we made so far, the instrumental version:

http://soundcloud.com/dino-trnka/dolia-winter-queen

When we finish the song, I will put that version so you can tell me what you think of it as a whole smile.gif
For now, I'd really appreciate your general opinion about the song, the melody, catchi-ness, production (it probably sucks, I know), and in the end, the solo smile.gif

Thanks a lot in advance mates, cheers! smile.gif


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Fast ReplyReply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 


RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 29th May 2017 - 02:30 PM