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post Jan 13 2012, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (edguy @ Jan 13 2012, 05:40 PM) *
Or you use a 9 volt battery or a spoon to block the floyd rose system like it is explained in the video i embedded. It works really well. If you are afraid of scratches caused by the spoon you could also use a piece cardboard box. It worked for me aswell!


Thanks a lot for that video mate. smile.gif I'm trying to tune it with the spoon trick right now. If I don't make it then I'll have it tuned by a pro tomorrow. Will post the results! biggrin.gif


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post Jan 13 2012, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (Dinaga @ Jan 13 2012, 05:46 PM) *
Thanks a lot for that video mate. smile.gif I'm trying to tune it with the spoon trick right now. If I don't make it then I'll have it tuned by a pro tomorrow. Will post the results! biggrin.gif


No problem ! just try to be relaxed and don't rush through the process and it will work smile.gif


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post Jan 13 2012, 05:51 PM
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I hate trem systems in general, for much the same reason, but also because there are only a handful of players that I've heard in my life who can make vibrato with a trem sound good. For the most part, it's used as a trick - look at me, I can sound like a horse... lol. I much prefer the sound of a finger-bent string (strings).

And as you say - break a string on stage, and all your strings go out of tune. Gotta huck your guitar off stage for a replacement to continue the show. I have a Jackson that I'm taking the trem system off and replacing it with a fixed saddle. But it is all personal taste - some people love trems. I just never really got into the sound.



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post Jan 13 2012, 06:05 PM
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It is a very cool system and on expensive instruments it's easier to change strings and maintain there is another bridge called wilkinson it works like a floyd rose but easier to deal with
Here is a trick I found online!
One other trick with a Floyd:
String the guitar with the ball end at the tuning peg and have extra string available up there. Every time I broke a string it was broke right at the bridge. You can cut it clean, loosen the nut lock, pull more string down, lock it in, tune it up and run. I've done the whole process in about 2.5 minutes...just let the drums, bass, and singer cook along for a little bit. Probably less time than it takes to slap a new string on a fixed bridge!


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post Jan 13 2012, 08:31 PM
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I managed to tame the floating bridge a bit by using the trick with the spoon. Broke one more string in the process biggrin.gif but at least I got to understand the bridge better. It's still not rock solid and it still manages to detune while playing. It might be because new strings need to stretch (the usual reason), I'll see. Thanks again for all the helpful replies. smile.gif

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I hate trem systems in general, for much the same reason, but also because there are only a handful of players that I've heard in my life who can make vibrato with a trem sound good. For the most part, it's used as a trick - look at me, I can sound like a horse... lol. I much prefer the sound of a finger-bent string (strings).

And as you say - break a string on stage, and all your strings go out of tune. Gotta huck your guitar off stage for a replacement to continue the show. I have a Jackson that I'm taking the trem system off and replacing it with a fixed saddle. But it is all personal taste - some people love trems. I just never really got into the sound.

I can relate to everything you said here. To each his own... If there are people who can completely tame this beast and play successfully, that's great... I just prefer good ol' fixed bridge.


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post Jan 13 2012, 09:00 PM
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I have similar problems with my Jackson Dinky Dk2, tuning is just a nightmare, but the whammy bar worths it, Every time i pick the guitar i have to fine tune it even if the locks are on. =/
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:59 PM
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I've had a dean with a floyd for years never had a problem, I've even changed the gauge of the strings and its in D standard tuning. I feel the opposite way. I have 2 Gibsons both with stop-tails. One does decent with staying in tune, but my Les Paul is another story the g-string you bend it or even strum it goes out quicker a sneeze! I love it to death so I'm thinking of changing the tuning pegs out to see if that helps.


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post Jan 14 2012, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE (edguy @ Jan 13 2012, 04:40 PM) *
Or you use a 9 volt battery or a spoon to block the floyd rose system like it is explained in the video i embedded. It works really well. If you are afraid of scratches caused by the spoon you could also use a piece cardboard box. It worked for me aswell!


I was about to suggest the Cardboard Technique. I have been using a FR bridge system for about four years now. I had that problem once. It made me realise that my springs were wound too tight. Give that a go.


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post Jan 14 2012, 05:19 AM
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Save yourself the headache and just set the trem to park at flat. Increase the spring tension til it rests on the body. Done smile.gif When working with your strings, keep the lock nut at the top of the neck unlocked. Unless you use your wammy a lot. You can just leave it unlocked. I work with alternate tunings so I usually leave the lock nuts loose unless I"m planning on recording some dive bomb trem.

QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Jan 13 2012, 12:05 PM) *
It is a very cool system and on expensive instruments it's easier to change strings and maintain there is another bridge called wilkinson it works like a floyd rose but easier to deal with
Here is a trick I found online!
One other trick with a Floyd:
String the guitar with the ball end at the tuning peg and have extra string available up there. Every time I broke a string it was broke right at the bridge. You can cut it clean, loosen the nut lock, pull more string down, lock it in, tune it up and run. I've done the whole process in about 2.5 minutes...just let the drums, bass, and singer cook along for a little bit. Probably less time than it takes to slap a new string on a fixed bridge!


I somehow assumed everyone did this. I use floyd trems and I ALWAYS leave the ball on. IT's just too handy smile.gif


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post Jan 14 2012, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jan 14 2012, 04:19 AM) *
Save yourself the headache and just set the trem to park at flat. Increase the spring tension til it rests on the body. Done smile.gif When working with your strings, keep the lock nut at the top of the neck unlocked. Unless you use your wammy a lot. You can just leave it unlocked. I work with alternate tunings so I usually leave the lock nuts loose unless I"m planning on recording some dive bomb trem.



I somehow assumed everyone did this. I use floyd trems and I ALWAYS leave the ball on. IT's just too handy smile.gif


I don't laugh.gif

Then again, I never break strings. I used to when I first started, but ever since I started using Dunlop mediums, I can't seem to break them. I use use the hell out of my tremolo too. Give the strings a chance, they work wonders. I once had a set for eight months because I was using all my money on travel expenses and they still held up!

They withstood me playing Crystal Mountain and Pull the Plug by Death, so you know I had to use that Floyd Rose endlessly which is absolute TORTURE on strings wink.gif


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post Jan 14 2012, 10:08 AM
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Dude, I have the same guitar, and I can tell you it was no walk in the park for me either. It took me a lot of elixir strings and blood, sweat and tears to set this bad boy correctly...

And I'm still going to sell it b/c I'm sick of it biggrin.gif
I want to be able to change my tuning as I go, and also
I Want a Gibson, so..... biggrin.gif

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post Jan 14 2012, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE (Dinaga @ Jan 13 2012, 08:31 PM) *
I managed to tame the floating bridge a bit by using the trick with the spoon. Broke one more string in the process biggrin.gif but at least I got to understand the bridge better. It's still not rock solid and it still manages to detune while playing. It might be because new strings need to stretch (the usual reason), I'll see. Thanks again for all the helpful replies. smile.gif


I can relate to everything you said here. To each his own... If there are people who can completely tame this beast and play successfully, that's great... I just prefer good ol' fixed bridge.


Hey man,

I feel sorry to hear that you broke one more string. But i'm happy that you got a better understanding about your trem system.

You wrote it still manages to detune while playing. Can you explain me your process of tuning the guitar in detail? Maybe I can help you then better.

You need to tune your guitar first with the headstock tuners while the nut is unlocked. When it's in tune you lock the nut and you will realise that the guitar is little bit out of tuning. Now you have to fine tune the guitar with the little screws on top of your floyd bridge. After that it should be in tune forever smile.gif

Hope this will help you to get a floyd rose guitar that stays in tune smile.gif


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post Jan 14 2012, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE (edguy @ Jan 14 2012, 10:58 AM) *
Hey man,

I feel sorry to hear that you broke one more string. But i'm happy that you got a better understanding about your trem system.

You wrote it still manages to detune while playing. Can you explain me your process of tuning the guitar in detail? Maybe I can help you then better.

You need to tune your guitar first with the headstock tuners while the nut is unlocked. When it's in tune you lock the nut and you will realise that the guitar is little bit out of tuning. Now you have to fine tune the guitar with the little screws on top of your floyd bridge. After that it should be in tune forever smile.gif

Hope this will help you to get a floyd rose guitar that stays in tune smile.gif


It depends on the type of Floyd Rose. It is also possible that he could need new locks. I just purchased mine this evening since they are almost as old as his, and they are quite worn out. I went to change strings on my Schecter Damien FR two nights ago and I did not have an Allen Wrench that fit, so I decided it was finally time. It is a good idea to change them every couple years if you use it often. I have not had to pull mine out in about two or three months because I typically keep it in D Standard to write metal and I have not been writing much lately. I have been using my Ibanez Artcore AFS75T which has led me to believe that the Bigsby Tremolo system is a beast all its own that I recommend avoiding. They Bigsby tremolo system was a huge disappointment, as I should have stayed with a fixed bridge in this case. At least the Floyd Rose DEFINITELY locks. laugh.gif


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post Jan 14 2012, 01:16 PM
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Hmmmm....I'm slowly learning how my trem works. I have a floating bridge, but have never broke a string while tuning it. I learned to always have 5 strings on the guitar at a time while changing them. This way, you don't lose the tension. I haven't had to take it to the shop in a while. You don't really have to do much setup as long as you stretch the strings out before you move onto the next one. And when fixing intonation, I always detune the string (so the mini-string saddle doesn't pull forward) and then tune it back up to pitch until the intonation is right.

I would recommend you asking the guitar shop guy to let you watch if he can get to it right away. Have him explain it to you. Tell him about your frustration. I guarantee that just having knowledge about how your Floyd system works will give you a huge confidence boost. Kinda hard to explain the thing here...as I am still learning it myself. But I have now changed the strings on my guitar several times by myself ever since I watched these videos.




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post Jan 14 2012, 01:29 PM
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[quote name='Dinaga' post='563469' date='Jan 13 2012, 08:31 PM']I managed to tame the floating bridge a bit by using the trick with the spoon. Broke one more string in the process biggrin.gif but at least I got to understand the bridge better. It's still not rock solid and it still manages to detune while playing. It might be because new strings need to stretch (the usual reason), I'll see. Thanks again for all the helpful replies. smile.gif



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post Jan 14 2012, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE (thefireball @ Jan 14 2012, 01:16 PM) *
I learned to always have 5 strings on the guitar at a time while changing them. This way, you don't lose the tension.


Yes, that's the point. smile.gif I learned this a bit too late. When I last changed strings on my FR guitar (and that was years ago, then I put it to dust), I removed all the strings, and started from scratch. That's why the guitar lost the tension, and I had to adjust springs and strings form the beginning. Because I didn't use the spoon/flat object/battery trick to lock the bridge while tuning, I had too many variables and never could get the string/spring ratio I wanted. When I tuned up the lower strings, the upper strings tuned down and vice versa.

But now I followed all the directions in this topic and I think I found the answer to why the guitar is detuning. I didn't lock the nut. I didn't know that part is essential for the FR guitar, as one friend told me you can play FR without a problem without using those locks on the nut. So the only thing left to do is to find those locks, because I didn't use them for a long time...

Well, I guess I did everything you can do wrong on a Floyd Rose. biggrin.gif But hey, you can't learn if you don't make mistakes. Failing at something means you won't fail at the same thing again, so it's still positive. Cheers people, thanks so much for everything. You rock. smile.gif

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This is the best video I have found for setting up a floyd rose, I dont have a trem block so I make a temporary block out of a piece of cedar shim stock and block the trem within the trem cavity, block it at ground zero or flat and level with the body, replace all the strings and tune, remove the block, and then adjust the spring tension at the spring anchor back to ground zero if it has changed once you have removed the block. There are 3 parts to this vid series but I think this one is the one you want to check out.



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post Jan 15 2012, 07:18 AM
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Remember not all Floyd Rose's are equal, there are many licensed ones out there.

Some are using bad quality metal parts, so always go for an original or Gotoh (Suhr and Tyler use Gotoh I believe and I'll trust anything they stake their reputation on)


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Since nowadays, I am not using the floyd in the music I am making, I guess string through body is the best option for me, but still a little vibrato from a normal trem can do me a ton of good smile.gif

Plus, the floyd is not friendly on country style/ pedal steel bends AT ALL, changing strings/ calibrating the floyd was never that fast and the nastiest, meanest scariest part was ... breaking a string during a gig laugh.gif if you don't have a spare axe waiting right beside you, doom is upon you! biggrin.gif


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post Jan 15 2012, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE (edguy @ Jan 14 2012, 05:58 AM) *
Hey man,

I feel sorry to hear that you broke one more string. But i'm happy that you got a better understanding about your trem system.

You wrote it still manages to detune while playing. Can you explain me your process of tuning the guitar in detail? Maybe I can help you then better.

You need to tune your guitar first with the headstock tuners while the nut is unlocked. When it's in tune you lock the nut and you will realise that the guitar is little bit out of tuning. Now you have to fine tune the guitar with the little screws on top of your floyd bridge. After that it should be in tune forever smile.gif

Hope this will help you to get a floyd rose guitar that stays in tune smile.gif


I just re - read all the posts and I think I get it now. Your not even using the lock nuts, so that's not the problem. It sounds like you pulled all the strings off of a floating trem system without "bracing" the trem and the spring tension got really out of wack. This is actually a somewhat normal response for many floating trem systems (NOT ALL, But Many). The good news is, the fix is simple.

1.)Change one string at a time.

2.)If you want to pull them all off to clean the neck, Brace the Trem.
*(use anything solid that won't damage the guitar to prevent the tremelo bridge from moving forward and adjusting the tension by itself)

Done smile.gif

That should fix it.

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