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Sinisa Cekic
post Jan 17 2012, 08:35 PM
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Eager to prove themselves, the composers and songwriters are pushing too much text (mostly bad) in a song and in fact they take away our playing time (which is actually the only bright spot in the song). They want to push us aside as the main driving machine in the band! Lead part is actually the culmination of each song! (shut up singers)! laugh.gif


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post Jan 17 2012, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE (Sinisa Cekic @ Jan 17 2012, 04:35 PM) *
Eager to prove themselves, the composers and songwriters are pushing too much text (mostly bad) in a song and in fact they take away our playing time (which is actually the only bright spot in the song). They want to push us aside as the main driving machine in the band! Lead part is actually the culmination of each song! (shut up singers)! laugh.gif


Are you saying that Vocalmasterclass.net is behind all this???? ph34r.gif


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post Jan 17 2012, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 17 2012, 09:06 PM) *
Are you saying that Vocalmasterclass.net is behind all this???? ph34r.gif


Not only them, much larger and darker forces are in question ph34r.gif


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post Jan 17 2012, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (Sinisa Cekic @ Jan 17 2012, 08:35 PM) *
Eager to prove themselves, the composers and songwriters are pushing too much text (mostly bad) in a song and in fact they take away our playing time (which is actually the only bright spot in the song). They want to push us aside as the main driving machine in the band! Lead part is actually the culmination of each song! (shut up singers)! laugh.gif


haha I never thought of it that way, I take back my analysis. Sinisa obviously knows what he is talking about ph34r.gif


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post Jan 17 2012, 09:43 PM
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That's a good question! I think it's because people are more in to lyrics and don't really care about solos as much as they use to!
I believe it will come back in a few years cause it's always goes on circle!


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post Jan 17 2012, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Jan 17 2012, 05:43 PM) *
That's a good question! I think it's because people are more in to lyrics and don't really care about solos as much as they use to!
I believe it will come back in a few years cause it's always goes on circle!


yeah, you're right mate, I also believe that music goes on circle!


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post Jan 17 2012, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 17 2012, 01:36 PM) *
That's the same that happens to me with Cirse!! I was tired of hearing people asking me why I don't add more solos... blink.gif It was a bit frustrating because it seemed that nothing was important if you don't add a solo!
The latest album has some solos and people seems to be a bit more comfortable and less worried! hahahah. laugh.gif

Maybe the reason why I do this is because I see my band and the songs as a producer, and even a a listener not as the guitar player. I don't know if this is right or wrong but I try to forget that I'm the player and just try to find the song that I would like to hear, with the parts, the arrangements and structure that would make it a perfect song for me.


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post Jan 17 2012, 11:23 PM
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The music industry distributes most popular songs today, and wetter we like it or not, solos will happen only if needed, it's the fact that everything boils down to smile.gif This can have some good sides: alternative band, or fresh name can possibly have more chances of singing a contract.

On the other hand, when I watch the condition of music industry today, it makes me really sad, it's obvious that they are going down, without any real ideas, and those musicians who do have some ideas are forced to do their own work and market their music without the help of mass media. Personally, I like both cool simple solos, ala frusciante, or BB King, and also fast solos ala Wylde or Gilbert, it's all great, and everything should have it's place. I think it does actually. The choice is only: do you want to listen only to modern music, or you want to listen ALL music wink.gif



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post Jan 17 2012, 11:45 PM
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It's about time Solo's became "Cool" again smile.gif Everything goes through cycles/phases, as has been mentioned. It was really solo crazy for a while in the 80's, then died off, now it's swinging back that way again. The barrier to entry is much higher when you want to add a killer solo. The good news is, GMCers are well on their way!

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 16 2012, 08:32 PM) *
yes, it's true, I was talking about the last 20 years mainstream music (pop, rock, New metal, Grunge, Rock). However maybe you can prove that I'm wrong with some examples...



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post Jan 17 2012, 11:46 PM
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Well, I don't think a solo is absolutely necessary in a song to make it good. Take Muse for example, they rarely do "old-school noodling" solos, they usually have small interludes which are not enough to be called "solos" but big enough to take the main attention from the vocal parts. Another example is Judas Priest's Nightcrawler. No solo - yet awesome song, has enough of what it takes to be good to listen to.

But I can't lie - I always have a big grin on my face when I hear a good solo - I just enjoy them, especially if they are creative and you can see that the composer really tried hard to make it "tell a tale". When I hear Dream Theater's "The Spirit Carries On" solo, my face just MELTS biggrin.gif Or "Tears of the Dragon" solo. That solo is just pure brilliance.

On the other hand - mindless shred solos which are composed mainly to impress the crowd by a particular guitar technique, or just solos with no creativity at all - I can't stand them. Example - Bruce Dickinson's Abduction solo, it's just awful.


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post Jan 18 2012, 05:36 AM
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Yes music goes on cycles, I agree. So we have like 25 years of advantage to become guitar shredding gods!!! get ready to amaze the music industry in the year 2040!! and to do world tours at the age of 50 hehehe....keep on rocking grandpa they will shout to us!


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post Jan 18 2012, 06:37 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 17 2012, 12:18 AM) *
that a great topic for a new thread man! Can I borrow it? smile.gif


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post Jan 18 2012, 06:50 AM
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I think Slash got it about right with the amount of solos required! cool.gif
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QUOTE (bluelineman @ Jan 18 2012, 02:37 AM) *
Absolutely!


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post Jan 19 2012, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE (Sinisa Cekic @ Jan 17 2012, 10:35 AM) *
Eager to prove themselves, the composers and songwriters are pushing too much text (mostly bad) in a song and in fact they take away our playing time (which is actually the only bright spot in the song). They want to push us aside as the main driving machine in the band! Lead part is actually the culmination of each song! (shut up singers)! laugh.gif

laugh.gif hahahaa! love that take Sinisa smile.gif
Good topic Gabriel! cool.gif
Did anyone notice that about the time we started hearing less guitar solos when Grunge came along in modern pop/rock etc, we started seeing pop/country music move towards more of a country rock thing and country guitar players were playing all kinds of flashy solo's?
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jan 18 2012, 11:48 PM) *
laugh.gif hahahaa! love that take Sinisa smile.gif
Good topic Gabriel! cool.gif
Did anyone notice that about the time we started hearing less guitar solos when Grunge came along in modern pop/rock etc, we started seeing pop/country music move towards more of a country rock thing and country guitar players were playing all kinds of flashy solo's?


I don't know if that's the actual reason, but nonetheless, I am a huge country music fan and in my opinion, 'country shredders' represent a special breed of guitarists with exquisite taste for phrasing and melodic sensibility smile.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 19 2012, 05:57 AM) *
I don't know if that's the actual reason, but nonetheless, I am a huge country music fan and in my opinion, 'country shredders' represent a special breed of guitarists with exquisite taste for phrasing and melodic sensibility smile.gif



talking about country shredders I remembered this one! smile.gif



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post Jan 19 2012, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 18 2012, 11:57 PM) *
I don't know if that's the actual reason, but nonetheless, I am a huge country music fan and in my opinion, 'country shredders' represent a special breed of guitarists with exquisite taste for phrasing and melodic sensibility smile.gif

Oh I never meant for this to be a reason as to why there were less guitar solos in modern rock/pop. It was just an observation of what was going on in modern country music durring this time.It just seemed to me that durring this time if you wanted music with a good guitar solo you were more likely to find it in country music or some metal rather than mainstream rock or pop. And yes I agree there are lots of great country music guitar players out there. I just think they really started stepping out durring this time. A good solo is a good solo no matter what the genre. smile.gif

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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jan 19 2012, 06:42 PM) *
Oh I never meant for this to be a reason as to why there were less guitar solos in modern rock/pop. It was just an observation of what was going on in modern country music durring this time.It just seemed to me that durring this time if you wanted music with a good guitar solo you were more likely to find it in country music or some metal rather than mainstream rock or pop. And yes I agree there are lots of great country music guitar players out there. I just think they really started stepping out durring this time. A good solo is a good solo no matter what the genre. smile.gif


Oh, yes, I totally agree biggrin.gif style doesn't have anything to do with a graceful selection of notes, fluidity and expression wink.gif Brad Paisley is one hell of a player - check his stuff out (maybe you already know him) and I'm sure you'll be blown away!

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 19 2012, 03:50 PM) *
talking about country shredders I remembered this one! smile.gif



Gabe, tell me, didn't you always feel that John 5 is more a country player than anything he is doing along Marilyn Manson or Rob Zombie? I think that somehow he is the most honest and sincere when he plays country smile.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 20 2012, 05:50 AM) *
Gabe, tell me, didn't you always feel that John 5 is more a country player than anything he is doing along Marilyn Manson or Rob Zombie? I think that somehow he is the most honest and sincere when he plays country smile.gif


It's true!! His demoniac country style makes him unique and defines his style. Even his tone works better in the country tunes (at least for my taste).


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