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post Feb 3 2012, 12:54 AM
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in the song Mississippi by Pussycat, which was on the Disco Rocket record by K-tel
a really long time ago, this album is often in second hand places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDHMTzTKqVU

they are using a wierd instrument cool.gif , not shown in other videos of this song,

in the above URL it is to be seen at 2:25 into the video and even more close up at 4:20,
the latter is being played with a revolver biggrin.gif


does anyone know what this instrument is?

are there any tutorials here on this?

can that sound effect be done with a guitar?

if you can do this with a guitar can you upload a video of that particular sound done in the song? smile.gif

I bought a "chromed steel slide" by Dunlop which allows smooth tone changes, but I am not sure
I can produce that sound.

(the song by Abba I am learning at the moment may well be what the DJ refers to at the start, Money Money Money!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0&ob=av2e
which was around that time)

looking more closely it looks like it has 10 strings,


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post Feb 3 2012, 03:34 AM
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QUOTE (richardb @ Feb 2 2012, 11:54 PM) *
in the song Mississippi by Pussycat, which was on the Disco Rocket record by K-tel
a really long time ago, this album is often in second hand places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDHMTzTKqVU

they are using a wierd instrument B) , not shown in other videos of this song,

in the above URL it is to be seen at 2:25 into the video and even more close up at 4:20,
the latter is being played with a revolver biggrin.gif


does anyone know what this instrument is?

are there any tutorials here on this?

can that sound effect be done with a guitar?

if you can do this with a guitar can you upload a video of that particular sound done in the song? smile.gif

I bought a "chromed steel slide" by Dunlop which allows smooth tone changes, but I am not sure
I can produce that sound.

(the song by Abba I am learning at the moment may well be what the DJ refers to at the start, Money Money Money!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0&ob=av2e
which was around that time)

looking more closely it looks like it has 10 strings,

It's a pedal steel guitar used for country music mostly it has more strings and tuned differently
Here is an article about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_steel_guitar
It's pretty pricy and not easy to learn cause not that many people are using it!


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post Feb 3 2012, 03:41 AM
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So glad I just refreshed the page before I posted. laugh.gif

I'm not sure how close you could get to it but I know its also widely known in blues to use the slide.
A song that came to mind when you posted your first video was Eric Clapton - Running on Faith.
It kind of has that sound to it just not the harmonic half.



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QUOTE (SpaseMoonkey @ Feb 3 2012, 02:41 AM) *
So glad I just refreshed the page before I posted. laugh.gif

I'm not sure how close you could get to it but I know its also widely known in blues to use the slide.
A song that came to mind when you posted your first video was Eric Clapton - Running on Faith.
It kind of has that sound to it just not the harmonic half.


The difference if that pedal steel has more strings but it's the same idea


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Here you have a Slide Blues Guitar player... it's not the same but it's how the same effect sounds in the guitar...





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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Feb 3 2012, 02:34 AM) *
It's a pedal steel guitar used for country music mostly it has more strings and tuned differently
Here is an article about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_steel_guitar
It's pretty pricy and not easy to learn cause not that many people are using it!


in that article they mention sho-bud, if you look at about 4:32 on the Mississippi video with full screen viewing
you will see it says sho-bud!

the extra strings must be because its more difficult to change fret, currently I play the guitar in
a non standard way by placing the guitar in front of me on a surface with the neck pointing right,
similar to how the guy is playing the sho-bud in the Mississippi video. I am right handed and I fret
with the right hand and strum with the left.

this makes individual notes easier to play, but it makes chords much more difficult,
consequently I am focussing on music without chords, and am interested in unusual
effects done with individual notes.

I was trying out holding the slide with the right hand and strumming with the left hand,
if I put the slide where the pickups are the notes are very high, the problem is
with moving the slide as there are no markers at the pickups, also I select the
first set of pickups as the slide can go to the right of the other 2 pickups, so far I havent been able to play a tune like this,
with 10 strings I think I could play a tune. As I slide the slide the current notes
change continuously,

I can make a sound like with railway station announcements by fretting consecutive strings with the slide
near the first pickups, and I can make a sound like a time signal, I was experimenting to see what
sound effects I could do. maybe I will upload some examples!

if I place the slide with the right hand, and then the right of the right hand presses against
the strings then if I lift the slide the current notes immediately stop,

that instrument looks like it may be more geared to my own unconventional playing style,



QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Feb 3 2012, 03:18 PM) *
Here you have a Slide Blues Guitar player... it's not the same but it's how the same effect sounds in the guitar...



whats the thing attached to the second fret?

is he wearing plectrums on his fingers?

I was only aware of plectrums that you hold with say thumb and finger,
are there wearable plectrums which attach to one finger?

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post Feb 3 2012, 10:51 PM
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Here are some sound effects, done as mentioned above:

using an ordinary right handed guitar placed on a surface with neck pointing right,

then with slide in right hand and fretting with left, with the slide very near the leftmost pickup

with that leftmost pickup selected.

the sound effects include: rail station announcement tune, digital watch signal, and a bit of
experimenting eg attempts to play a tune. biggrin.gif

Attached File  sounds.wav ( 19.17MB ) Number of downloads: 61


I didnt realize how large the file is, 19MB

I think the instrument in the Mississippi video would be very useful for this approach

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whats the thing attached to the second fret?


That is Capodaster, a clamp that you stick on different frets of the guitar to change the pitch or key of the open strings. Each fret on the guitar is a half step,so, if you put a capo on the 1st fret, all of the open strings will sound a half step higher than normal. This makes changing the key of a song very easy.



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post Feb 4 2012, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (Sinisa Cekic @ Feb 3 2012, 10:13 PM) *
That is Capodaster, a clamp that you stick on different frets of the guitar to change the pitch or key of the open strings. Each fret on the guitar is a half step,so, if you put a capo on the 1st fret, all of the open strings will sound a half step higher than normal. This makes changing the key of a song very easy.



I dont understand what the idea is,

for a chord wont the open strings change but the non open strings not change?

are you changing some notes of the chord but not changing others?

an example maybe would help,

when you say key of a song, are you refering to the key signature?

or are you saying that for single notes that all the open notes will be directly in the scale of the key signature
ie making it more likely single notes will be open notes?


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smile.gif Ok, I'll try to be clearer :

It changes the basic tuning depending on which fret you attach it to. If you fasten it to the 2nd fret,like on the picture above,you can play all the open chords you know, get it ?!

An open E major becomes open F# major chord
An open A major becomes open B major chord
An open D major becomes open E major chord
And so on.....

What is the point: usually, if you're a singer, but harmonic key of the song don't suits you (too low or high)- changing the harmonic key (tonality) using capodaster allows you to find the right intonation for your singing, and thereby will remain advantages provided by open chords.









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post Feb 6 2012, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE (Sinisa Cekic @ Feb 4 2012, 10:33 PM) *
smile.gif Ok, I'll try to be clearer :

It changes the basic tuning depending on which fret you attach it to. If you fasten it to the 2nd fret,like on the picture above,you can play all the open chords you know, get it ?!

An open E major becomes open F# major chord
An open A major becomes open B major chord
An open D major becomes open E major chord
And so on.....


ok, its not something that is directly apparent,
I presume you mean by moving the open chords on the left of this list down 2 frets to get the open chords on the right of the list
where without capodaster you would need an extra finger?

but then you cannot do the chords on the left of this list?

presumably you would take a specific music score, study this to see what to do and then to decide on a
carefully chosen position for the capodaster.

does the capodaster just clamp the outermost fret?


QUOTE (Sinisa Cekic @ Feb 4 2012, 10:33 PM) *
What is the point: usually, if you're a singer, but harmonic key of the song don't suits you (too low or high)- changing the harmonic key (tonality) using capodaster allows you to find the right intonation for your singing, and thereby will remain advantages provided by open chords.


are you changing the octave?

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ok, its not something that is directly apparent,
I presume you mean by moving the open chords on the left of this list down 2 frets to get the open chords on the right of the list
where without capodaster you would need an extra finger?


Exactly !

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but then you cannot do the chords on the left of this list?


You got it !

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presumably you would take a specific music score, study this to see what to do and then to decide on a
carefully chosen position for the capodaster.


Sure !

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does the capodaster just clamp the outermost fret?


No !

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are you changing the octave?


Be more specific, please smile.gif










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