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post Jul 5 2012, 08:06 AM
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Ok, good idea! I'll do another recording with the last riff to isolate this, too.
But what exactly do you mean with more definition?
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post Jul 5 2012, 08:55 AM
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Ok, good idea! I'll do another recording with the last riff to isolate this, too.
But what exactly do you mean with more definition?


There are some notes which are a bit blurry - such as the first notes in the beginning of each riff - when you do the pull-offs on the low A string using the C in the third position and the open A smile.gif


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post Jul 5 2012, 08:59 AM
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Ah, I see. Will keep an eye on that with the next recording biggrin.gif
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post Jul 5 2012, 10:34 AM
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Okay, here is another take for the two riffs isolated:



It still can be improved, but maybe you can tell me some more details on what I have to keep an eye on..

And maybe you can give me some suggestions on what I can do to get a more djentish tone biggrin.gif

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post Jul 6 2012, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE (mad @ Jul 5 2012, 09:34 AM) *
Okay, here is another take for the two riffs isolated:



It still can be improved, but maybe you can tell me some more details on what I have to keep an eye on..

And maybe you can give me some suggestions on what I can do to get a more djentish tone biggrin.gif

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biggrin.gif the last one sounds like the robots are coming tongue.gif it needs just a bit more groove to make it great wink.gif You have to understand the drum groove and the accents so that you can follow with the guitar. Technically, it's good, but it lacks groove smile.gif In any case, I can see improvement in correctness and definition.

Tell me, what sort of device are you using for the tone?

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post Jul 6 2012, 12:58 PM
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I'm using TH2 with Todds Djent Preset (https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=44968) and adjusted the noisegates... I think getting a better tone would improve the groove. What do you think?

So, his is the gear I'm using to record: Guitar -> FastTrack Pro -> Cubase5 with TH2

I also have a Zoom G2.1u, but it's difficult to get a djentish tone with this one..
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Hey mad smile.gif Well, I have no experience with the TH2, but I can tell you what I am doing with my AMT - lowering the bass to about 8 o clock and playing with a less distorted tone while hitting the strings pretty hard to get that chunk going.

A good tone will always help out indeed. If you are using Line 6, I can help out with some really good tone presets which will utterly provide THAT tone wink.gif

How's practicing with that groove going?

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post Jul 7 2012, 09:45 PM
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Goes fine ... I feel like this guy here:

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So, I played around with my Zoom and got a quite genty tone (I think). I used the Peavey 5150 sim with lowered gain and less mids and added a noise gate.
Here we go:

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Hey mad! I likethe tone smile.gif it sounds pretty authentic you know biggrin.gif about the second riff, you are delaying the Bb note after the A and this is why it's a bit out of the groove smile.gif try and feel the drums a bit more. Can you sing the guitar part over the backing at full tempo? smile.gif


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post Jul 9 2012, 11:40 AM
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Thanks!
Yes I can sing the second riff at full speed and now I know exactly what you mean biggrin.gif
I'm playing the whole lesson almost at full speed now - the first riff is still giving me some trouble at full speed, just a little more practice time....

I'll upload a first take of your Katatonia-lesson soon!

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Hey mad! I likethe tone smile.gif it sounds pretty authentic you know biggrin.gif about the second riff, you are delaying the Bb note after the A and this is why it's a bit out of the groove smile.gif try and feel the drums a bit more. Can you sing the guitar part over the backing at full tempo? smile.gif
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wink.gif great man! biggrin.gif Looking forward to see the takes - you have to convince me with this one as well tongue.gif


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post Jul 18 2012, 10:54 PM
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Hey Cos,

Just a short update: to be honest, I think to get the djent lesson clean and up to speed I need another month or so.. I'm getting close, but it seems to be an endurance problem. When I play the first riff slowly up to speed, it works great, but when recording a few takes it gets more and more sloppy and out of time sad.gif so maybe you have an idea or another lesson to practice similar techniques?

The Katatonia lesson is going well so far (except the last riff - it's a bit tricky..)

Working on your Djent collab tomorrow!
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post Jul 19 2012, 09:57 AM
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Hey mad! Glad to see you back into action wink.gif

Regarding the Djent lesson - give it time and try to use a certain anticipation technique - always think a bit ahead and be aware of what's next to be played - in this way you won't let the flow get interrupted by the fact that you are not prepared to move your hand consciously. It is a bit difficult to explain in words, but it's all about anticipation - do it at a slow tempo first and then incorporate it in your habits for anything you will ever play smile.gif

A lot of stamina loss comes from the stress of not being aware of what's next and becoming tense because of that - I may be wrong and in your case it might be something else, but still, this is a good approach smile.gif

You could try Metal Metrics 2 although it's tougher technique wise - but it's a great stamina exercise nonetheless.

About the Katatonia smile.gif the last riff is my favorite! Try to tap your foot to the ground and work on the time signature change, by playing the riff while tapping 8th notes with your foot and when the 4/4 kicks in tap 4/4 biggrin.gif It works awesomely for the whole pulse!

Looking forward to seeing your take for the djent collab and please go ahead and ask me anything else you'd like to know smile.gif

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post Jul 19 2012, 10:38 AM
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Yeah - I'm already using an anticipation technique in all of my playing - I really think it's a stamina problem and more practice of course..
The MM2 Lesson is already on my agenda - I suspected you'll recommend this one tongue.gif
I can say I like all your Metal Metrics lessons and I'll get into the No. 2 asap - is it possible that I can here some clipping in the full backing track for that lesson?

I'll try tapping the foot while practicing the whole katatonia lesson biggrin.gif

BTW - your collab is the first for me cool.gif

Thanks!
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Hehe! I am honored to have you break the ice with the collabs mate!

Clipping? Hmmmm, dunno man, I'll check it out and see...


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post Jul 19 2012, 11:24 AM
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well, don't know if you call it clipping - it's a clicky noise appearing at about 28s in the 100bpm backing.. but maybe it's just normal...

And there seems to be an error in the tabs for the Katatonia lesson (in the tabs below the video and in the gp-file): in bar 6 and 10(tabs below video) it's played 0-5 instead of 7-5

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QUOTE (mad @ Jul 19 2012, 10:24 AM) *
well, don't know if you call it clipping - it's a clicky noise appearing at about 28s in the 100bpm backing.. but maybe it's just normal...

And there seems to be an error in the tabs for the Katatonia lesson (in the tabs below the video and in the gp-file): in bar 6 and 10(tabs below video) it's played 0-5 instead of 7-5


There must be a problem which occurred when I rendered the track sad.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jul 19 2012, 01:00 PM) *
There must be a problem which occurred when I rendered the track sad.gif


Maybe you just don't here it, if I ever manage to record a take at full speed for that lesson biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (mad @ Jul 20 2012, 11:12 AM) *
Maybe you just don't here it, if I ever manage to record a take at full speed for that lesson biggrin.gif


A slow and perfect one, would sure make my day wink.gif Eh, what say you? biggrin.gif


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post Jul 31 2012, 11:45 PM
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Okay, back in action..

So, I was just before giving up to even try to play the Djent-Lesson at full speed. Until today.. I received a parcel from Thomann containing a .68 elixir string that replaced my current .60 on the 7string.. and voilà:



It's not perfect, but it's a start playing your drop-A monster at this speed biggrin.gif
Now continuing with your Katatonia-Lesson cool.gif

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