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Yeah! I remember that song by Crobot that you shared here at the site! They rock.

This is my template for analysing songs... do you think that you could start with one of these songs?

Name of the song:
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Structure // What is happening? // Chords & Scales

Structure: You will divide the tune in Intro - Riff - Verse - Pre chorus- - Chorus - Solo - Part C and so... You can add the letters A, B, C to the sections when you find different ones in the same tune (Ex: Verse A, Verse B, Chorus, Solo A, Solo)

what is happening?: Here you will describe each part. You can explain how is the part, if it has vocals, screams, melodies, harmonizations, how much is last, how many measures, etc. Every information that could be useful to understand the part.

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post Jan 8 2013, 09:30 PM
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smile.gif I shall get to work on that, dude.


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QUOTE (bleez @ Jan 8 2013, 05:30 PM) *
smile.gif I shall get to work on that, dude.


Excellent! biggrin.gif


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well, I could have chosen an easier song in terms of structure because the 'verse/pre/chorus' type of thing really wasn't obvious to me but any excuse to listen to this track a million times is worth it smile.gif

Name of the song: Legend of the spaceborne killer
Name of the band: Crobot

Structure:
intro / verse a / Alternate Verse 1 / pre / chorus
intro / verse b / Alternate Verse 2 / pre / chorus
part c
alternate Chorus / pre / alternate chorus


What is happening:
Intro - No vocals, Lasts 4 bars and is a progression over 2 bars which is repeated twice, drums follow the guitar closely accenting each note.
Verse A- Vocals begin. guitar sustains an E chord as the vocal melody is sung over 2 bars. Once the line has been sung the progression used in the intro is played over 2 bars with the drums following the guitars closely with accents. This is repeated 4 times, however in the final 2 bars it is altered : the progression is not used, instead the guitar continues to sustain the chord played in the first two bars and the drums also play a straight beat.
Alternate Verse 1 - vocals sung over a sustained chord progression. played over 4 bars. the chords resolve except the final chord which resolves into the pre-chorus
pre-chorus - same format as the previous alternate verse 1 but with different chords.
chorus - vocal sings one line while music sustains from final chord of previous pre chorus
verse b - same structure as verse A
alternate verse 2 - some lead added which almost echoes vocal melody
Part C - lead guitar driven riff played over 4 bars. Variation of the alternate chorus riff.
Alternate chorus - the single vocal line used previously is now repeated over a pentatonic style riff, played over 4 bars.

Chords & Scales -
They tune half a step down for this track. I wasn't able to work our all the chords but I think the riff is based in E minor pentatonic. The guitar seems to playing mostly in position 3 of the E minor pent.
some of the chord progressions seem to be using C - D - E with some variations including B and A ( I think! )

I dont know if Ive got the correct details here, I never analysed a song before and its not easy! smile.gif


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Hi mate! I'm a bit loss with some of the sections that you described, could you please add the time of each part (the minutes and seconds...).
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indeed smile.gif I confused myself a little as well trying to do this!

intro -> 00:00 - 0:08
verse A -> 0:08- 0.35
Alternate Verse 1 -> 0.35 - 0:58
pre -> 0:59 - 1:20
chorus -> 1:20 - 1:22
intro -> 1:22 - 1:30
verse b -> 1:30 - 1:55
Alternate Verse 2 -> 1:56 - 2:19
pre -> 2:20 - 2:40
chorus -> 2:40 - 2:43
part c -> 2:43 - 2:56
alternate Chorus -> 2:57 - 3:10
pre -> 3:10 - 3:31
alternate chorus -> 3:32- end

I changed my mind a few times on what each section was but I kinda felt the chorus was just the single line "He's got something in his hands" as they repeat this towards the end of the song in a more chorus - like way........ maybe huh.gif


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Hi mate! Well, we started with a really tricky track! From my point of view, the problem here is that the pre is even more catchy and melodic than the chorus and this makes a feel confused. By the way, we are analyzing this to incorporate ideas to our background, so if this works, and we like it, we can do it in our songs! smile.gif Let me say that this happens on a Cirse's song... the pre is more catchy than the chorus and people usually says that the chorus of the song is the pre, but the track works and it's one of the hits among Cirse's fans. This one:



From my point of view, the correct structure is:

intro -> 00:00 - 0:08
verse A -> 0:08- 0.35
pre -> 0.35 - 0:58
chorus -> 0:59 - 1:22

The repetition of the that phrase in the end is what I would call the coda. Let me know what you think!





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yeah, you've got the correct structure there Gabe smile.gif
I think I made it far too complicated but your structure seems to nail it.
It makes the rest of the song simpler as well because we now have :

intro -> 00:00 - 0:08
verse A -> 0:08- 0.35
pre -> 0.35 - 0:58
chorus -> 0:59 - 1:22
which is basically repeated, Then......

at 2:43 they bring in a new riff , although this might be considered a solo?
Chorus tail ( coda ) -> 2:57 - 3:10
chorus -> 3:11 - 3:34
Chorus tail ( coda ) -> 3:35 - end

that might be the structure of the song?



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QUOTE (bleez @ Jan 16 2013, 10:15 AM) *
yeah, you've got the correct structure there Gabe smile.gif
I think I made it far too complicated but your structure seems to nail it.
It makes the rest of the song simpler as well because we now have :

intro -> 00:00 - 0:08
verse A -> 0:08- 0.35
pre -> 0.35 - 0:58
chorus -> 0:59 - 1:22
which is basically repeated, Then......

at 2:43 they bring in a new riff , although this might be considered a solo?
Chorus tail ( coda ) -> 2:57 - 3:10
chorus -> 3:11 - 3:34
Chorus tail ( coda ) -> 3:35 - end

that might be the structure of the song?



Solo or instrumental section (we can call it "Bridge (instrumental)")

Now we are talking!! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 16 2013, 02:48 PM) *
Solo or instrumental section (we can call it "Bridge (instrumental)")

Now we are talking!! smile.gif


yeah, its making much more sense now biggrin.gif

what's the next step? should I now try to write similar riffs?


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QUOTE (bleez @ Jan 16 2013, 03:05 PM) *
yeah, its making much more sense now biggrin.gif

what's the next step? should I now try to write similar riffs?



First, it would be cool to analyse two more songs of this bands, or of a similar style...


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hey dude smile.gif

before I go too far with the next song I thought I should post up the initial structure..... or what I think the structure is!
Im using a different band but it sounds like a very similar style of song.

Name of the song: Back from the dead
Name of the band: stone riders

intro
00:30 - 01:08 verse 1
01:09 - 01:31 chorus
01:32 - 02:00 verse 2
02:01 - 02:21 chorus
02:21 - 02:25 - bridge
02:26 - 02:36 part c
02:36 - 03:05 solo
03:06 - 03:25 middle 8
03:26 - 03:35 part c
03:36 - 03:56 chorus
03:56 - end chorus tail

now, Im not sure if you can actually have 2 'part C's' but its the same riff.... maybe its a bridge!


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What a great song!!! Your analysis is PERFECT mate. smile.gif

We can call it part C, and incorporate this idea of repeating a part C, before and after a guitar solo, it's a cool idea and works great because it's a very short part but emotive as a part C usually is. In this track I feel that once again the verse is even catchier than the chorus, did you notice it?


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 24 2013, 02:27 PM) *
What a great song!!! Your analysis is PERFECT mate. smile.gif

We can call it part C, and incorporate this idea of repeating a part C, before and after a guitar solo, it's a cool idea and works great because it's a very short part but emotive as a part C usually is. In this track I feel that once again the verse is even catchier than the chorus, did you notice it?

LOL! yeah, their verses have amazing vocal melodies!
I'll try to analyze more of the song over the weekend. Its cool because Ive got a few ideas for my own riffs just by trying to analyze these songs biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (bleez @ Jan 25 2013, 06:03 AM) *
LOL! yeah, their verses have amazing vocal melodies!
I'll try to analyze more of the song over the weekend. Its cool because Ive got a few ideas for my own riffs just by trying to analyze these songs biggrin.gif


Really?? It's working!! biggrin.gif I'm so happy of reading this mate.


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 25 2013, 09:58 PM) *
Really?? It's working!! biggrin.gif I'm so happy of reading this mate.

biggrin.gif dude, Ive got 2 new songs half finished since I started this process of listening to songs in this way. Im finding that I seem to really feel comfortable within the Doom / stoner style of rocker riffs...... well, it sounds like that to me anyway!
I just need to focus enough and finish them because I tend to get to halfway through a song and then I'll get a new riff and begin working on it and leave the last song half finished rolleyes.gif
but its all good, creating riffs and songs is awesome. As long as I dont forget to work on my general guitar playing and technique smile.gif


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QUOTE (bleez @ Jan 26 2013, 09:30 AM) *
biggrin.gif dude, Ive got 2 new songs half finished since I started this process of listening to songs in this way. Im finding that I seem to really feel comfortable within the Doom / stoner style of rocker riffs...... well, it sounds like that to me anyway!
I just need to focus enough and finish them because I tend to get to halfway through a song and then I'll get a new riff and begin working on it and leave the last song half finished rolleyes.gif
but its all good, creating riffs and songs is awesome. As long as I dont forget to work on my general guitar playing and technique smile.gif



This is GREAT! It's exactly what happens to me, and this allows me to be able to compose music in any style that I want. I just have to analyse many songs of a band or style and then I find myself creating music in that style. It's exactly what I do in my "in the style of lessons". smile.gif
As you said, it's very important to be balanced and dedicate time to composing and also to technique.


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hi Gab, thought I'd post up another track Ive been working on. I was trying to go for a classic black sabbath type of style.
my mate said he would like to re-record the first solo at 3:14 so that part will change but the second solo at 3:31 is without doubt the fastest guitar part Ive played biggrin.gif I thought I might keep that in!

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wouuu there are no words to describe how good this is!!! The riffs are killer, and the overall sound is so powerful. I love how it starts, it's a combination of Sabbath, with Slash, Zakk Wylde, Alice In Chains, but at the same time it has its own personality... are you working in collab with other guitarist?
I can't wait to hear this song with vocals!! smile.gif
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thanks very much dude, your opinion means a lot to me.
Its quite funny that I always seem to play things with that vibe of 90s rock even when I try to play 70s Doom rock biggrin.gif

I played the song to the guitarist from my old band and he was into playing a solo on it, which will be cool coz he's very good, way better than me smile.gif

Ive started practicing vocals..... i aint easy! I'll work some more on them but if I cant manage then I might just get the music sounding as good as I can and try to find someone else to sing over it.


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