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post Mar 11 2012, 04:29 PM
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Hi guys.. I am looking to start recording my band at home. here is some of the equipment i am planning on investing in, if you guys know any of the gear and better options then please advise..

Apple Macbook Pro

Cubase 5.1

Universal Audio 2 (UAD-2)

M Audio Recording Interface

Yamaha NS10's (Monitors)

Rode K2 or AKG C214 Condenser Mic

Roland Electronic Drum Kit

Then im going to invest in alot of plugins, Manley/Lexicon Compressors, EQ's etc....
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Hi man! Great decision! I checked the gear that you want to buy and I think that you are very on the right track! I wouldn't change any the the things that you are planning to buy.



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post Mar 11 2012, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (Im here to succeed @ Mar 11 2012, 03:29 PM) *
Hi guys.. I am looking to start recording my band at home. here is some of the equipment i am planning on investing in, if you guys know any of the gear and better options then please advise..

Apple Macbook Pro

Cubase 5.1

Universal Audio 2 (UAD-2)

M Audio Recording Interface

Yamaha NS10's (Monitors)

Rode K2 or AKG C214 Condenser Mic

Roland Electronic Drum Kit

Then im going to invest in alot of plugins, Manley/Lexicon Compressors, EQ's etc....


M audio might have latency Apogee is much better IMHO you will have better quality and more channels
Cubase is cool but I would use Logic on a mac because it's made for it
The rest is a good set up
I think you can get a very nice quality either way!


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Fantastic news thanks guys.... Yeah cubase is what im using now, im probably going to get pro tools hd 10 or logic... which ever i can afford... and cool alex... i may reconsider on my interface.. what model would you reccomend?
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Well it's all better than all my gear so thumbs up from me ! laugh.gif


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I would get Cubase 6, instead of 5. I upgraded and I'm very pleased with the new version smile.gif
And if I were you I'd check out some Echo Audio soundcards (www.echoaudio.com).

The rest looks good smile.gif
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Mar 11 2012, 07:26 PM) *
M audio might have latency Apogee is much better IMHO you will have better quality and more channels
Cubase is cool but I would use Logic on a mac because it's made for it
The rest is a good set up
I think you can get a very nice quality either way!


Yep. I agree with Alex. If you use a Mac you will be better on with logic. I have both DAWs Cubase and logic on my mac and you have better integration and overall support with logic. And under OS lion even more performance.
At least on my system. biggrin.gif

Apogee is of course extremely cool stuff, but also expensive. Have you ever heard about RME ? Maybe you want to check this out:

RME Audio

They build amazing stuff. Drivers are excellent and work with no problems on the mac.

cheers,

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I must agree with Gab smile.gif all the stuff you are planning to buy is very good! Best of luck mate and don't forget to check your mentoring thread wink.gif you haven't visited it in quite sometime and it misses you sad.gif

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A Fellow MAC USER! smile.gif Well hey there. I must say,

GET APPLE LOGIC 9!

Cubase is fine, and honestly, all the major DAW's are fine. But honestly, NONE, I repeat, NONE of them are LOGIC. Not even Pro Tools (DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR) IMHO can stand up to the beast that is LOGIC 9. It comes with more content, more plugins, and more flat out cool stuff than anything available at the price or at five times the price. IT's IMHO the best daw on earth, again IMHO.

If you are going to be a MAC user, then you are really shooting yourself in the foot not to consider logic. After all you can run CUBASE on a PC and save lots of money.

http://www.apple.com/logicpro/

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Truth be told, Logic gives you most for the money you spend as well.
I use Logic every now and then when I have to, and it's a great DAW.

I've been using Cubase for years, and that's why it's my go-to DAW.
I know most stuff really well, and I think it's the best DAW because of this.
Logic is cheaper and gives you quite a few great plug-ins as well with n additional cost.

If I were just starting out on a Mac, I'd go for Logic.
But if you are used to a DAW that works for you I don't see any reason to learn a new program just because..

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Cool thanks for the advice guys, and yeah cosmin, ive been learning the song you gave me, its just my computer has latency problems that im using at the moment so its annoying to record smile.gif
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QUOTE (Im here to succeed @ Mar 12 2012, 10:00 AM) *
Cool thanks for the advice guys, and yeah cosmin, ive been learning the song you gave me, its just my computer has latency problems that im using at the moment so its annoying to record smile.gif


No problemmo mate, just let me know when you are ready and in the mean time, if there's anything else, let's talk about it in your thread smile.gif I'm glad to help out in any way

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QUOTE (Im here to succeed @ Mar 11 2012, 03:29 PM) *
Hi guys.. I am looking to start recording my band at home. here is some of the equipment i am planning on investing in, if you guys know any of the gear and better options then please advise..

Apple Macbook Pro

Cubase 5.1


As others have alrady said recording/mixing DAWs are quite similar with regards to features, etc., what differs tends to be workflow. If you are used to Cubase and are happy with the workflow then you are better off staying with it then trying to learn a new one. If this is the case then upgrade to v6.

If you are not happy with the Cubase workflow then most recording/mixing daws have Apple versions: Logic has some advantage in that it is quite tightly integrated to the Apple OS. PTHD (not LE) is used a lot in the US and so has a wide user base including a lot of pro studios. (That doesn't mean it's endorsed or preferred though, it is just in a lot of studios.) Cubase has a wider user base in Europe but much of that is on pc (similar for Sonar in the US). Reaper is another alternative that is considerably cheaper for a single user license ($60) then the other commercial daws and so arguably offers the best 'bang for buck'.

If you need advanced editing and/or video post and/or mastering in addition to/instead of recording/mixing then you should start to look at Sequoia, Nuendo, PTHD and Soundblade - all of these are pro end though and will cost from $2-4k. You might also be able to run Pyramix or SADiE in emulation on a mac but both are 32 bit pc (and both cost about $7k). Here you are at the pro end though rather than home/project.

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Universal Audio 2 (UAD-2)


If there are particular plug ins that you really have to have then fine otherwise I save the money are get other vsts/vstis as standavrd plugins. Modern computers have enough processing that a separate card isn't really necessary.

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M Audio Recording Interface


There are considrably better options for Macs from Apogee, MOTU and RME which are all suitable for a good home set up. Pro end recording/mixing you should be looking at the top end of Apogee and maybe also considering more specialised convertors from Lavry, Cranesong, Burl, Mytek and so on.

You should also look for better mic preamps then the MAudio.

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Yamaha NS10's (Monitors)


NS10s - you'd have to look at the 2nd hand market and many are in poor condition. There are much better and more recent monitors that you can use for a home/project mixing set up. Look at Adam A7s, Tannoy Reveal 8s, Mackie HRs and so on.

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Rode K2 or AKG C214 Condenser Mic


Ok as a starting point but 1 mono condenser is not really sufficient to record a band. Also don't forget the mic stands, pop shield and maybe a reflection filter.

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Roland Electronic Drum Kit


If you are a drummer fine. If so also consider using as an electronic trigger for drum replacement software.


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Then im going to invest in alot of plugins, Manley/Lexicon Compressors, EQ's etc....


Most mixing/recording daws come with a variety of eqs, comps etc. Unless you are really fond of and familiar with a particular Manley eq/comp or Lexicon delay/reverb then why pay for an emulation? I'm probably one of the few people here who actually knows and has used first hand Lexicon and Manley hardware (along with SSL, Neve and so on). I've yet however to see or hear an emulation that really is as good as the hardware - and that goes for other emulations of SSLs, Trident, Neves, etc - and I think people here are paying extra for a vst just for a name badge without really having experience of what it is that they are supposed to be getting. You would be better off, in my opinion, investing in good vst eqs etc that are NOT emulations and so pay for quality and features rather than image.

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You also need to consider purchasing: stands for the monitors; acoustic treatment for the room; cabling; power distribution, etc.



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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Mar 12 2012, 12:26 PM) *
As others have alrady said recording/mixing DAWs are quite similar with regards to features, etc., what differs tends to be workflow. If you are used to Cubase and are happy with the workflow then you are better off staying with it then trying to learn a new one. If this is the case then upgrade to v6.

If you are not happy with the Cubase workflow then most recording/mixing daws have Apple versions: Logic has some advantage in that it is quite tightly integrated to the Apple OS. PTHD (not LE) is used a lot in the US and so has a wide user base including a lot of pro studios. (That doesn't mean it's endorsed or preferred though, it is just in a lot of studios.) Cubase has a wider user base in Europe but much of that is on pc (similar for Sonar in the US). Reaper is another alternative that is considerably cheaper for a single user license ($60) then the other commercial daws and so arguably offers the best 'bang for buck'.

If you need advanced editing and/or video post and/or mastering in addition to/instead of recording/mixing then you should start to look at Sequoia, Nuendo, PTHD and Soundblade - all of these are pro end though and will cost from $2-4k. You might also be able to run Pyramix or SADiE in emulation on a mac but both are 32 bit pc (and both cost about $7k). Here you are at the pro end though rather than home/project.



If there are particular plug ins that you really have to have then fine otherwise I save the money are get other vsts/vstis as standavrd plugins. Modern computers have enough processing that a separate card isn't really necessary.



There are considrably better options for Macs from Apogee, MOTU and RME which are all suitable for a good home set up. Pro end recording/mixing you should be looking at the top end of Apogee and maybe also considering more specialised convertors from Lavry, Cranesong, Burl, Mytek and so on.

You should also look for better mic preamps then the MAudio.



NS10s - you'd have to look at the 2nd hand market and many are in poor condition. There are much better and more recent monitors that you can use for a home/project mixing set up. Look at Adam A7s, Tannoy Reveal 8s, Mackie HRs and so on.



Ok as a starting point but 1 mono condenser is not really sufficient to record a band. Also don't forget the mic stands, pop shield and maybe a reflection filter.



If you are a drummer fine. If so also consider using as an electronic trigger for drum replacement software.




Most mixing/recording daws come with a variety of eqs, comps etc. Unless you are really fond of and familiar with a particular Manley eq/comp or Lexicon delay/reverb then why pay for an emulation? I'm probably one of the few people here who actually knows and has used first hand Lexicon and Manley hardware (along with SSL, Neve and so on). I've yet however to see or hear an emulation that really is as good as the hardware - and that goes for other emulations of SSLs, Trident, Neves, etc - and I think people here are paying extra for a vst just for a name badge without really having experience of what it is that they are supposed to be getting. You would be better off, in my opinion, investing in good vst eqs etc that are NOT emulations and so pay for quality and features rather than image.

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You also need to consider purchasing: stands for the monitors; acoustic treatment for the room; cabling; power distribution, etc.


Cool thanks for that... Looks like i got everything wrong ;D
so for an audio interface, what about the Presonus Firepod?
for monitors, with it being home studio, i think the A7's would be too big and powerful for my needs, maybe the a3's or a5's would be more suitable..

The only reason i was planning on getting the manley and levicon plugins was because alot of top studios use them so i figured that theyre the best way to go.. and i was buying them as plugins because i couldnt possibly afford the real deal..
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so for an audio interface, what about the Presonus Firepod?


Presonus offer value for money but the build quality may be a bit off the mark. Firewire can be an issue unless you have a TI f/w chipset - if you're not sure than USB2 is probably a safer option.. Apogee tends to be better build but more expensive and similarly RME offer good and stable convertors.

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for monitors, with it being home studio, i think the A7's would be too big and powerful for my needs, maybe the a3's or a5's would be more suitable..


On a smaller monitor the bass end will not reproduce well so you may need to consider using a sub.

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The only reason i was planning on getting the manley and levicon plugins was because alot of top studios use them so i figured that theyre the best way to go.. and i was buying them as plugins because i couldnt possibly afford the real deal..


Sort of but we use the hardware not a software emulation.

The issue with regard to EQs and comps is that the hardware is often seen as good because the analogue nature adds a particular type of colour that people like. Software tries to emulate this colour but to date is not particularly successful and it becomes more obvious as the behaviour departs from the intended linear range.

(There's also an issue to do with the difference betwen analogue gainstaging and ITB gainstaging but that's probably a bit beyond this thread.)

Some people also buy the emulation not because of how well the emulation mimics the hardware but because they've seen the hardware used in a pro studio. A pro mixing studio though is likely to have a lot of different outboard compressors and each is often used for specific purposes. For instance, some comps respond well to being on the 2 bus and some don't. With an emulation of, say a Manley vari-mu, it's use will be limited to a few occassions and your control over its parameters is limited to the design of the original Manley. You want to set the ratios? Not possible. Want a fast attack LT 25ms? Not possible...The issue here is that you are paying extra for the 'badge' on the vst yet you could get a more versatile vst comp or lots of simple vanilla vsts for the same price as the emulation. (It's worth noting that many vanilla vsts will perform some degree of emulation anyway - they just don't say so or have the 'badge'.)

In the case of a reverb like a Lexicon - the software has an easier time of it but a Lexicon reverb is capable of producing and manipulating quite complicated reverb patterns. It uses sophisticated algorythms to do this and in many ways its the algo - and the ability to process that - that you pay for. Most cheapish reverb vsts just don't have as sophisticated algos. The only emulation of a Lexicon that I know of that sounds like a Lexicon is their own - and that costs about $1200.


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