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post May 7 2012, 07:21 AM
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Hey all, I just started wondering about this. Any input? Not sure what the real difference is. I could google it, but I'd rather ask the fine folks here at GMC!!


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post May 7 2012, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE (derper @ May 7 2012, 06:21 AM) *
Hey all, I just started wondering about this. Any input? Not sure what the real difference is. I could google it, but I'd rather ask the fine folks here at GMC!!


I prefer Neck Throughs myself.

If they have a decent cutaway, playing higher up is awesome. My Schechter Damien FR has a VERY bulky screw plate and I dislike it quite a bit.

However, there are actually three different options in terms of neck mounting.

Bolt On- The neck is bolted on to the body. It's the most common because it's cheap to make. There's less sustain than the other two kinds, but the neck is a lot easier to adjust.

Set In- The neck is glued on to the body. It's a little more expensive than a bolt-on, but it has far better sustain. Also, there's better access to the higher frets. Another disadvantage is that if you need the neck adjusted, you pretty much need a Luthier to do it.

Neck Through- The neck and body are carved from a single piece of wood. It's more expensive, but has great sustain and tone. I am pretty certain that neck adjustment for this category also requires a Luthier.


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post May 7 2012, 08:51 AM
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A glued in neck is always more comfortable but I'm just at home with anything really.

The main debate about it usually stems around tone. Bolt on - less tone than glue in, thru neck etc..

To be honest, I don't care that much. There's so many other variables that can get you a great tone anyway so you could get so carried away with all those things. Comfort and feel is just a good a decider as any so I don't mind as long as I can reach the upper frets in (relative) comfort smile.gif


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post May 7 2012, 09:19 AM
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Check out this article about neck mounting methods.

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post May 7 2012, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE (Mudbone @ May 7 2012, 09:19 AM) *
Check out this article about neck mounting methods.

Neck Mounting Myths


Interesting, Mud... I can definitely see where he's coming from. I guess the bottom line is that a bolt on neck has never given me any trouble.

Regards the tone factor, there is a lot of personal opinion and hearsay related to what equals good tone etc and that is what seems to influence a lot of us rather than actually being able to discern any audible difference between something ourselves. It's a bit like a placebo effect. We expect to hear something so we 'do' hear it.


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post May 7 2012, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ May 7 2012, 02:35 AM) *
Neck Through- The neck and body are carved from a single piece of wood. It's more expensive, but has great sustain and tone. I am pretty certain that neck adjustment for this category also requires a Luthier.

No sir, they work just like everything else does as for setting up. My Dean Dime-O-Flame was neck through played very well for a cheaper guitar.


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Hey all, I just started wondering about this. Any input? Not sure what the real difference is. I could google it, but I'd rather ask the fine folks here at GMC!!

Neck-Through: Dean Dime-O-Flame, the neck to the body was great it had an amazing reach for that 22nd fret they had it rounded near the butt into the body since it was a single piece. Very easy to access but it also was sort of like a V that nothing was blocking your hand from getting up on the neck.

Set-Neck: Gibsons, The butt joint is more of a square and with it being thicker necks and a smaller scale than I was use to playing. The LP isn't as forgiving when reaching up to play it, but the explorer feels better also a thinner neck as well.

Bolt-Ons: I use to hate these guitars. Washburn MG-34 the butt literally was a giant block.



But now I've played some higher end models with a bolt-on and I think differently. A Music Man JP Ball Reserve, Ibanez Gem, and Ibanez JS series. They are all bolt-on and you can't tell that they are. The Ibanez S770 I just bought it bolt-on and you could never tell either, you also have amazing room to reach the upper frets.

IMO I don't think any of it matters, its just all in what you want to have. Just like everything else its like an option you can choose from.


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post May 7 2012, 06:10 PM
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Wow, great info all!!


I started wondering about this because yesterday I bought a Mesa Boogie Studio Caliber DC-2 from a guy on craigslist, and he seemed astounded with the tone of my Parker niteflybeing that it was "bolt on", as he mentioned.

Now the original Parker Fly was neck through, but the Nitefly (though not the most expensive model) didn't seem to be a "cheaper" Fly at the time and through it's history. In fact, they upgraded several features on that model....so I REALLY started to wonder!!


Like most things guitar....there seems to be no "one" answer. For one brand set neck might be their top-quality, but it seems like there are many GREAT bolt on/set neck guitars as well!!


Does a "set neck" (glued....sounds like a step "up" from bolt on, from what was described) also have bolts? So, does it/would it look similar to bolt-on necks in some cases?


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post May 7 2012, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (derper @ May 7 2012, 01:10 PM) *
Wow, great info all!!


I started wondering about this because yesterday I bought a Mesa Boogie Studio Caliber DC-2 from a guy on craigslist, and he seemed astounded with the tone of my Parker niteflybeing that it was "bolt on", as he mentioned.

Now the original Parker Fly was neck through, but the Nitefly (though not the most expensive model) didn't seem to be a "cheaper" Fly at the time and through it's history. In fact, they upgraded several features on that model....so I REALLY started to wonder!!


Like most things guitar....there seems to be no "one" answer. For one brand set neck might be their top-quality, but it seems like there are many GREAT bolt on/set neck guitars as well!!


Does a "set neck" (glued....sounds like a step "up" from bolt on, from what was described) also have bolts? So, does it/would it look similar to bolt-on necks in some cases?


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post May 7 2012, 06:56 PM
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I like both! My tele has a bolt on neck and I like the way it sounds
neck through will have more sustain and more low mid frequencies!
I have both and it's really hard to compare it depends on your taste!


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post May 7 2012, 08:13 PM
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Good to know Alex! I will have to compare to a Parker Fly Deluxe (old school) to get a good idea of the difference to my Parker Fly. I like idea of more sustain!!


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post May 7 2012, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ May 7 2012, 12:51 AM) *
A glued in neck is always more comfortable but I'm just at home with anything really.

The main debate about it usually stems around tone. Bolt on - less tone than glue in, thru neck etc..

To be honest, I don't care that much. There's so many other variables that can get you a great tone anyway so you could get so carried away with all those things. Comfort and feel is just a good a decider as any so I don't mind as long as I can reach the upper frets in (relative) comfort smile.gif


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I've read a myriad of these debates too. Most of the time, I just think they're trying to impress people with what they think they can hear, but I bet if you had them do a listen test between the two, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Your amp puts so much seasoning into your sound, you're not going to taste that extra grain of salt.



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