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post Sep 21 2012, 05:50 PM
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Gimme a bit more time mate, pls smile.gif I also found a vocal line laugh.gif biggrin.gif


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post Sep 23 2012, 10:02 AM
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No problem bud smile.gif Excited to hear the vocal line

I've also had an idea for another song (I dont think it will fit well into the riff we already have) and I feel better about this one.
Going to harmonize it, I expect something like a Bullet For My Valentine or Avenged Sevenfold feel, which I really hope I can pull off smile.gif

Also; initially I said that I would mostly work on songs, but I've realised that to execute my thoughts well and produce music, I need more training actually playing; do you know any good exercises for improving fret-hand speed?
My picking is fast enough, but my fretting hand seems to not be able to keep up, hit well/clean and also sort of gets out of control (saying I play 1-2-3-4-3-2-1-2 etc with 1 finger pr fret, suddenly my ring-finger will stop intermittently, leading to 1-2-2-4-3-2-1-2-3-4-2-2-1-2 etc for instance). This is really problematic when playing fast passages, and therefore also writing them (I can think them, but not execute them).

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post Sep 24 2012, 09:13 AM
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Hey mate, it's all about getting your body used for a certain movement and it's achieved through practicing slowly and then gradually building up speed, once you can play correct and in good timing.

We can work on that sort of stuff as well - I suggest legato and alternate picking combined - 1 hr / day of these should do the trick, if done with great focus and determination wink.gif

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Yea thats pretty much what I had in mind too smile.gif I was wondering if you know of any licks/etudes here on GMC or extracts from a song with passages that fit this kind of practice?
Sure I can just do the "generic" half-steps and similar or make something up, but it'll likely engage me more if there is a "soundtrack" to back up my practicing smile.gif

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QUOTE (Scorpiotic @ Sep 24 2012, 12:56 PM) *
Yea thats pretty much what I had in mind too smile.gif I was wondering if you know of any licks/etudes here on GMC or extracts from a song with passages that fit this kind of practice?
Sure I can just do the "generic" half-steps and similar or make something up, but it'll likely engage me more if there is a "soundtrack" to back up my practicing smile.gif

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Mate, I would DEFINITELY start working out on a certain series here, called 'Ben's Land of Legato' - I suggest we start working on them together and try to get your hands in shape, eh?


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sure thing, i'll check it out smile.gif


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So, what do you think so far mate?


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 26 2012, 08:33 AM) *
So, what do you think so far mate?


So far of what? Anything specific?


If you mean in general I'll say it feels good to get some projects going and staying with them. Working with you gives somewhat of a band feeling, in the way that other people expect that I deliver something, which is good because it makes me stay with things longer than I normally would, which might give results. I'm just looking forward to, at some point, finish a song and really feel proud of it. I'm not sure it'll be this first one, but its a start smile.gif Maybe your ideas can make it more exciting/alive tongue.gif


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Glad to know we're on the right path wink.gif

I will help out in the 'band' direction for certain - that's the final goal right? Making music!

How about the legato series? are you ready to record something for me? biggrin.gif

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Making music it is wink.gif

hehe, not really, still on Bens land of legato pt 1 and i can bare finish it, need to work stamina in fingers... also be better at hitting the string cleanly, and lastly be able to move around.... for a lvl 3 lesson, its tough...
have also looked at the first lesson i ever learned here at GMC; 5/4 solo by Juan Valero... not as fast as Ben's legato stuff but still challenging to me to pick it back up, build finger strength and thicker skin on fingertips tongue.gif
i'll keep on it for a couple more days and see if i'm comfortable with recording it wink.gif


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Good morning mate! I say - 2 recordings you should send me biggrin.gif

1) Ben's lesson
2) The 5/4 lesson

Both at 75% of the actual tempo, but focused on playing tight and in good timing wink.gif

What do you think?

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yea i'll do them, but i'd rather do them at full speed and take a bit extra time practicing...
I'll record within the week, hopefully (its assignment season at my university the coming weeks)

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QUOTE (Scorpiotic @ Sep 28 2012, 01:55 PM) *
yea i'll do them, but i'd rather do them at full speed and take a bit extra time practicing...
I'll record within the week, hopefully (its assignment season at my university the coming weeks)

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As you wish mate, but it would be better to have something recorded slow, at first so that we may discuss on the way you approached it and then kick it to full speed wink.gif

The choice is yours!

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good point... i'll get some done asap smile.gif
how are your takes coming?


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QUOTE (Scorpiotic @ Sep 30 2012, 02:57 AM) *
good point... i'll get some done asap smile.gif
how are your takes coming?


Hey mate, I think I can send you a take tomorrow smile.gif Looking forward to your feedback - I will record the vocal line with the guitar though biggrin.gif


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Hey mate smile.gif This here is my take on your groove and riff - I transformed it as I felt, so please let me know on what you think.

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wow I love it smile.gif i could hear the base riff I made for the first 2 bars or so, then it disappeared, donnu if if it got lost or you removed it.... doesnt matter, that was really cool smile.gif Mine sounds way crude in comparison... btw you never told me what you thought of the lead line I made?

but yea, your version sound way more interesting to work with smile.gif i think i remember reading you saying alter bridge was one of - if not THE- favvorite band, and i feel i heard that there... wink.gif

btw;
I know that programs etc wont make me a better musician, its more about how you know to use the tools as opposed to what tools you are using, I've understood that... However, I'm using FL Studio 10 and I often hear that I should switch to an "actual" DAW, as FL Studio is viewed more of a sampling mixer etc as opposed to an actual DAW...

So what DAW's/plugins have you found useful for recording, editing and mixing? I feel I have a good working basic knowledge which can be applied to most music software, but no particular advanced skill anywhere...


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Thanks mate! Glad ya like it! Well, taking things one at a time smile.gif

Alter Bridge is definitely among my favorite bands and I think I mentioned I liked your lead line but it needed a bit more development (that's the next recording I'll try over this riff).

Regarding the DAW - man, I learned to use them in time without any tutorials or stuff, just by experimenting and having my good friend and band mate near. He experimented long before me and I learned a lot from him.

I now use Samplitude and before that I have used Logic Audio. About pluggins, I use Variverb for all the delays/ reverb effects you would hear in the riff.


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all good bud smile.gif
btw, could you upload a GP file or some sort of tab for your take? Would be interesting to see how you approached it


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