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post Jun 18 2012, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Jun 18 2012, 08:04 AM) *
...it will be like a collab but only you and me! We will be going back and forth 12 bars each! smile.gif


Cool - that sounds like fun!

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post Jun 18 2012, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jun 18 2012, 11:55 AM) *
Cool - that sounds like fun!

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It will be fun! smile.gif I will post my take tomorrow! smile.gif


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post Jun 22 2012, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jun 18 2012, 11:55 AM) *
Cool - that sounds like fun!

smile.gif Z.

Hi! So I have recorded my take! Now it's your turn! I used the same pentatonics and positions I assigned you!
Here it is!
http://soundcloud.com/alex-feather-akimov/zoot
I would like you to continue me idea on the solo!
Try to keep it less busy because it's just a beginning and be as melodic as possible!
P.S. Leave the rest of the track playing so I can add the next part after your solo!
Let me know if you have any questions or need help!


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post Jun 24 2012, 07:29 AM
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Hi Alex -

What are the chord changes in the backing track? I'm having a hard time staying in pure E pentatonic minor... A couple of those chord changes are screaming out for me to play a C# and F# here and there. I can solo melodically quite nicely with those added notes, but can't seem to make a melody line "fit" properly without them...

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post Jun 24 2012, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jun 24 2012, 06:29 AM) *
Hi Alex -

What are the chord changes in the backing track? I'm having a hard time staying in pure E pentatonic minor... A couple of those chord changes are screaming out for me to play a C# and F# here and there. I can solo melodically quite nicely with those added notes, but can't seem to make a melody line "fit" properly without them...

Ciao,

Z.


The chord changes are:
Emi7 - A7 - Dmaj7
It's a basic II -V - I chord progression!

Let's do that! Do a short solo let's say twice through the chord changes! I would like you to play what you know and be as melodic as possible! smile.gif Looking forward to hear your take!
Let me know if you have any questions or need help!


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post Jun 25 2012, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Jun 25 2012, 03:10 AM) *
The chord changes are:
Emi7 - A7 - Dmaj7


OK - this is really fascinating for me. In the first jam track you posted for me, I could wail away on pretty much ANY note of the Eminor pentatonic scale and it sounded pretty fine. Some notes sounded better than others, but none really stuck out like dog's balls...

When I attempted the same approach with this track, I'm finding that I have to pay much closer attention to actual note selection within the pentatonic scale and be aware of the chord that I'm playing over.

This I found fascinating, and I think I've found the reason - check my logic, please!

In jazz land, it would seem that the most common way to approach the iim7-V7-Imaj7 progression is to use the dorian mode over the iim7, mixolydian over the V7 and a simple major scale over the Imaj7. So the chord tones I most easily hear over the progression are the E G B D over the Em7, the A C# E and G in the A7 and the D F# A and C# in the Dmaj7.

Given that in the Eminor pentatonic I've only got the E G A B and D, my little ear is crying out for the 3rd in the A7 - the C# and the F# and C# in the Dmaj7 - the 3rd and 7th of that chord.

I think where I was tripping myself up trying to play the pure pentatonic scale over the progression was when I was trying to use the B over the A7 or the Dmaj7. In the A7, that would have been a sus2 intonation and a 6th over the Dmaj7 - neither of which were going to sound particularly easy on the ear and fight against the progression.

Glad I worked that out... (I think! Correct me if I'm wrong!!!!)

OK - I'm going to shut up now and record a couple of takes. One adding the C# and F# where I hear them and another using pure pentatonic scale.

Dammit - now you're making me learn those obscure areas on my fretboard, lol...

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post Jun 26 2012, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jun 25 2012, 12:08 PM) *
OK - this is really fascinating for me. In the first jam track you posted for me, I could wail away on pretty much ANY note of the Eminor pentatonic scale and it sounded pretty fine. Some notes sounded better than others, but none really stuck out like dog's balls...

When I attempted the same approach with this track, I'm finding that I have to pay much closer attention to actual note selection within the pentatonic scale and be aware of the chord that I'm playing over.

This I found fascinating, and I think I've found the reason - check my logic, please!

In jazz land, it would seem that the most common way to approach the iim7-V7-Imaj7 progression is to use the dorian mode over the iim7, mixolydian over the V7 and a simple major scale over the Imaj7. So the chord tones I most easily hear over the progression are the E G B D over the Em7, the A C# E and G in the A7 and the D F# A and C# in the Dmaj7.

Given that in the Eminor pentatonic I've only got the E G A B and D, my little ear is crying out for the 3rd in the A7 - the C# and the F# and C# in the Dmaj7 - the 3rd and 7th of that chord.

I think where I was tripping myself up trying to play the pure pentatonic scale over the progression was when I was trying to use the B over the A7 or the Dmaj7. In the A7, that would have been a sus2 intonation and a 6th over the Dmaj7 - neither of which were going to sound particularly easy on the ear and fight against the progression.

Glad I worked that out... (I think! Correct me if I'm wrong!!!!)

OK - I'm going to shut up now and record a couple of takes. One adding the C# and F# where I hear them and another using pure pentatonic scale.

Dammit - now you're making me learn those obscure areas on my fretboard, lol...

biggrin.gif Z.

You are absolutely correct!
Here is a very cool trick! smile.gif
Over E mi7 play E minor pentatonic

Over A7 play F# minor pentatonic


Over D major 7 play B minor pentatonic


Try to combine all three pentatonics and make it to sound smooth! smile.gif
The reason I am asking you to play pentatonics instead of scales is because I want to break typical scale patterns! Your solos will be sounding much more creative if you will be thinking pentatonics instead of scales!
Let me know if you have any questions or need help!


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post Jun 27 2012, 11:26 AM
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Hi Alex -

Here's the track as I hear it, (well, as I hear it within the bounds of my ability wink.gif). C# and F#'s abound...

http://soundcloud.com/qwerty_zoot/zoot-af-z

I'm still fiddling about with playing against this with the pure Em pentatonic scale, but running into issues with note selection. Too much time wasted on "which note is that?" to play smoothly against the other chords in the progression. Similarly, when I try and play the appropriate pentatonic minor for the chord that's playing, my brain isn't overlaying the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pentatonic shapes fast enough to play it smoothly.

I guess that's why practice was invented wink.gif

Cheers -

Z.

...and apologies for the god-awful tone smile.gif

I recently got my hands on a Dirty Little Secret Mk II pedal from Catalinbread - check it out, their pedals are awesome! Catalinbread DLS Mk-II

This pedal emulates a plexi stack and unfortunately, I'm having a love affair with the PRE-AMP gain knob which wasn't really appropriate for this tune wink.gif

Ciao!

Z.


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post Jun 27 2012, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jun 27 2012, 10:26 AM) *
Hi Alex -

Here's the track as I hear it, (well, as I hear it within the bounds of my ability wink.gif). C# and F#'s abound...

http://soundcloud.com/qwerty_zoot/zoot-af-z

I'm still fiddling about with playing against this with the pure Em pentatonic scale, but running into issues with note selection. Too much time wasted on "which note is that?" to play smoothly against the other chords in the progression. Similarly, when I try and play the appropriate pentatonic minor for the chord that's playing, my brain isn't overlaying the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pentatonic shapes fast enough to play it smoothly.

I guess that's why practice was invented wink.gif

Cheers -

Z.

...and apologies for the god-awful tone smile.gif

I recently got my hands on a Dirty Little Secret Mk II pedal from Catalinbread - check it out, their pedals are awesome! Catalinbread DLS Mk-II

This pedal emulates a plexi stack and unfortunately, I'm having a love affair with the PRE-AMP gain knob which wasn't really appropriate for this tune wink.gif

Ciao!

Z.

You did a great job on the solo! It was too short tho! Play one more run through! smile.gif
I would like to hear more Q&A and try to use different octaves! The melody was great and I like how you developed it! Also try adding more dynamic in this solo!
Keep it up!

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It's a good pedal! I like the sound! smile.gif


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post Jul 1 2012, 02:13 AM
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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jun 27 2012, 10:26 AM) *
Hi Alex -

Here's the track as I hear it, (well, as I hear it within the bounds of my ability wink.gif). C# and F#'s abound...

http://soundcloud.com/qwerty_zoot/zoot-af-z

I'm still fiddling about with playing against this with the pure Em pentatonic scale, but running into issues with note selection. Too much time wasted on "which note is that?" to play smoothly against the other chords in the progression. Similarly, when I try and play the appropriate pentatonic minor for the chord that's playing, my brain isn't overlaying the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pentatonic shapes fast enough to play it smoothly.

I guess that's why practice was invented wink.gif

Cheers -

Z.

...and apologies for the god-awful tone smile.gif

I recently got my hands on a Dirty Little Secret Mk II pedal from Catalinbread - check it out, their pedals are awesome! Catalinbread DLS Mk-II

This pedal emulates a plexi stack and unfortunately, I'm having a love affair with the PRE-AMP gain knob which wasn't really appropriate for this tune wink.gif

Ciao!

Z.


Just wanted to check and see how are you doing?
Do you have any questions?


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post Jul 1 2012, 03:51 AM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Jul 1 2012, 11:13 AM) *
Just wanted to check and see how are you doing?
Do you have any questions?


No - no, all good here Alex. Just had my kids and wife down this week with the flu so haven't had much of a chance to do anything productive. Will be posting a new take shortly.

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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jul 1 2012, 02:51 AM) *
No - no, all good here Alex. Just had my kids and wife down this week with the flu so haven't had much of a chance to do anything productive. Will be posting a new take shortly.

Ciao!

Z.

Sounds great! I am looking forward to hear your take! I hope you will feel better soon! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jul 1 2012, 02:51 AM) *
No - no, all good here Alex. Just had my kids and wife down this week with the flu so haven't had much of a chance to do anything productive. Will be posting a new take shortly.

Ciao!

Z.

Hi! I just wanted to follow up and see how are you doing???


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Hi Alex -

Back from holidays - Fiji was lovely but all that swimming killed my calluses!

Here's my take -

http://soundcloud.com/qwerty_zoot/zoot-af-z3

Ciao!

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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jul 18 2012, 10:44 AM) *
Hi Alex -

Back from holidays - Fiji was lovely but all that swimming killed my calluses!

Here's my take -

http://soundcloud.com/qwerty_zoot/zoot-af-z3

Ciao!

Z.

Sounds very nice!!! A few suggestions! Try to turn gain a little down and try to use Questions and answer technique! It will work perfectly for it! smile.gif If you want I can explain you in more details! Let me know!


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Hi!
I have a perfect exercise for you! It will help you to master modes plus will bring your alternative picking to the next level! smile.gif
Modes being used:
F# Locrian - G major - A dorian - B phrygian - C Lydian - D mixolydian - E minor
Here it is!
E ||----------------------------------------------3----|
B ||-------------------------------------3--5--7-------|
G ||o---------------------------2--4--5----------------|
D ||o------------------2--4--5-------------------------|
A ||----------2--3--5----------------------------------|
E ||-2--3--5-------------------------------------------|


--5--7--5--3---------------------------------------|||---|---|||
--------------7--5--3------------------------------|||---|---|||
-----------------------5--4--2--------------------o|||o--|--o|||
--------------------------------5--4--2-----------o|||o--|--o|||
-----------------------------------------5--3--2---|||---|---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||---|---|||


----------------------------------------------5----|
-------------------------------------5--7--8-------|
o---------------------------4--5--7----------------|
o------------------4--5--7-------------------------|
----------3--5--7----------------------------------|
-3--5--7-------------------------------------------|


--7--8--7--5---------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------8--7--5------------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------7--5--4--------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------7--5--4-----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------7--5--3---||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------7----|
-------------------------------------7--8--10------|
o---------------------------5--7--9----------------|
o------------------5--7--9-------------------------|
----------5--7--9----------------------------------|
-5--7--8-------------------------------------------|


--8--10-8--7---------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------10-8--7------------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------9--7--5--------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------9--7--5-----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------9--7--5---||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------8----|
-------------------------------------8--10-12------|
o---------------------------7--9--11---------------|
o------------------7--9--10------------------------|
----------7--9--10---------------------------------|
-7--8--10------------------------------------------|


--10-12-10-8---------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------12-10-8------------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------11-9--7--------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------10-9--7-----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------10-9--7---||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------10---|
-------------------------------------10-12-13------|
o---------------------------9--11-12---------------|
o------------------9--10-12------------------------|
----------9--10-12---------------------------------|
-8--10-12------------------------------------------|


--12-14-12-10--------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------13-12-10-----------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------12-11-9--------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------12-10-9-----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------12-10-9---||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------12---|
-------------------------------------12-13-15------|
o---------------------------11-12-14---------------|
o------------------10-12-14------------------------|
----------10-12-14---------------------------------|
-10-12-14------------------------------------------|


--14-15-14-12--------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------15-14-12-----------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------14-12-11-------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------14-12-10----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------14-12-10--||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------14---|
-------------------------------------13-15-17------|
o---------------------------12-14-16---------------|
o------------------12-14-16------------------------|
----------12-14-15---------------------------------|
-12-14-15------------------------------------------|


--15-17-15-14--------------------------------------||----|----|
--------------17-15-13-----------------------------||----|----|
-----------------------16-14-12-------------------o||----|----|
--------------------------------16-14-12----------o||----|----|
-----------------------------------------15-14-12--||----|----|
---------------------------------------------------||----|----|


-----------------------------------------------14---|
--------------------------------------13-15-17------|
-----------------------------12-14-16---------------|
--------------------12-14-16------------------------|
-----------12-14-15---------------------------------|
--12-14-15------------------------------------------|


--15-17-15-14---------------------------------------|
--------------17-15-13------------------------------|
-----------------------16-14-12---------------------|
--------------------------------16-14-12------------|
-----------------------------------------15-14-12---|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------12---|
--------------------------------------12-13-15------|
-----------------------------11-12-14---------------|
--------------------10-12-14------------------------|
-----------10-12-14---------------------------------|
--10-12-14------------------------------------------|


--14-15-14-12---------------------------------------|
--------------15-14-12------------------------------|
-----------------------14-12-11---------------------|
--------------------------------14-12-10------------|
-----------------------------------------14-12-10---|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------10---|
--------------------------------------10-12-13------|
-----------------------------9--11-12---------------|
--------------------9--10-12------------------------|
-----------9--10-12---------------------------------|
--8--10-12------------------------------------------|


--12-14-12-10---------------------------------------|
--------------13-12-10------------------------------|
-----------------------12-11-9----------------------|
--------------------------------12-10-9-------------|
-----------------------------------------12-10-9----|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------8----|
--------------------------------------8--10-12------|
-----------------------------7--9--11---------------|
--------------------7--9--10------------------------|
-----------7--9--10---------------------------------|
--7--8--10------------------------------------------|


--10-12-10-8----------------------------------------|
--------------12-10-8-------------------------------|
-----------------------11-9--7----------------------|
--------------------------------10-9--7-------------|
-----------------------------------------10-9--7----|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------7----|
--------------------------------------7--8--10------|
-----------------------------5--7--9----------------|
--------------------5--7--9-------------------------|
-----------5--7--9----------------------------------|
--5--7--8-------------------------------------------|


--8--10-8--7----------------------------------------|
--------------10-8--7-------------------------------|
-----------------------9--7--5----------------------|
--------------------------------9--7--5-------------|
-----------------------------------------9--7--5----|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------5----|
--------------------------------------5--7--8-------|
-----------------------------4--5--7----------------|
--------------------4--5--7-------------------------|
-----------3--5--7----------------------------------|
--3--5--7-------------------------------------------|


--7--8--7--5----------------------------------------||
--------------8--7--5-------------------------------||
-----------------------7--5--4----------------------||
--------------------------------7--5--4-------------||
-----------------------------------------7--5--3----||
----------------------------------------------------||


----------------------------------------------3----|
-------------------------------------3--5--7-------|
o---------------------------2--4--5----------------|
o------------------2--4--5-------------------------|
----------2--3--5----------------------------------|
-2--3--5-------------------------------------------|


--5--7--5--3---------------------------------------|||
--------------7--5--3------------------------------|||
-----------------------5--4--2--------------------o|||
--------------------------------5--4--2-----------o|||
-----------------------------------------5--3--2---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------7----|
-------------------------------------7--8--10------|
o---------------------------5--7--9----------------|
o------------------5--7--9-------------------------|
----------5--7--9----------------------------------|
-5--7--8-------------------------------------------|


--8--10-8--7---------------------------------------|||
--------------10-8--7------------------------------|||
-----------------------9--7--5--------------------o|||
--------------------------------9--7--5-----------o|||
-----------------------------------------9--7--5---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------8----|
-------------------------------------8--10-12------|
o---------------------------7--9--11---------------|
o------------------7--9--10------------------------|
----------7--9--10---------------------------------|
-7--8--10------------------------------------------|


--10-12-10-8---------------------------------------|||
--------------12-10-8------------------------------|||
-----------------------11-9--7--------------------o|||
--------------------------------10-9--7-----------o|||
-----------------------------------------10-9--7---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------5----|
-------------------------------------5--7--8-------|
o---------------------------4--5--7----------------|
o------------------4--5--7-------------------------|
----------3--5--7----------------------------------|
-3--5--7-------------------------------------------|


--7--8--7--5---------------------------------------|||
--------------8--7--5------------------------------|||
-----------------------7--5--4--------------------o|||
--------------------------------7--5--4-----------o|||
-----------------------------------------7--5--3---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------12---|
-------------------------------------12-13-15------|
o---------------------------11-12-14---------------|
o------------------10-12-14------------------------|
----------10-12-14---------------------------------|
-10-12-14------------------------------------------|


--14-15-14-12--------------------------------------|||
--------------15-14-12-----------------------------|||
-----------------------14-12-11-------------------o|||
--------------------------------14-12-10----------o|||
-----------------------------------------14-12-10--|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------14---|
-------------------------------------13-15-17------|
o---------------------------12-14-16---------------|
o------------------12-14-16------------------------|
----------12-14-15---------------------------------|
-12-14-15------------------------------------------|


--15-17-15-14--------------------------------------||
--------------17-15-13-----------------------------||
-----------------------16-14-12-------------------o||
--------------------------------16-14-12----------o||
-----------------------------------------15-14-12--||
---------------------------------------------------||


-----------------------------------------------3----|
--------------------------------------3--5--7-------|
-----------------------------2--4--5----------------|
--------------------2--4--5-------------------------|
-----------2--3--5----------------------------------|
--2--3--5-------------------------------------------|


--5--7--5--3----------------------------------------|-------||
--------------7--5--3-------------------------------|-------||
-----------------------5--4--2----------------------|-------||
--------------------------------5--4--2-------------|-------||
-----------------------------------------5--3--2----|-------||
----------------------------------------------------|--3----||

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I would like you to start by getting use to those shapes and when you will be learning them try to call out notes it will help you to master the neck better!
And here is a cool part of this exercise!
I played a track and would like you to play along with me! This exercise will help you with picking technique!
http://soundcloud.com/alex-feather-akimov/modes-workout

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Cool - thanks Alex.

I've been trying to master all the diatonic shapes and get them to stick in my head since I've been back from holidays. This will be a lot more fun way to do that!

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This is cool Alex - good tool. Would you be able to post the backing track without your part? Just trying to keep my playing clean...

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QUOTE (Zoot @ Jul 25 2012, 12:00 PM) *
This is cool Alex - good tool. Would you be able to post the backing track without your part? Just trying to keep my playing clean...

Cheers!

Z.

I will post the backing track in a few days! I would like you to concentrate on playing along with me first and make sure that you can play through the whole thing! This exercise is great because you are playing along with me, so you pretty much have to do it right and you will get great results very fast!
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Cool - no problems mate.

I've now got the 7 patterns locked in my head, along with all 5 pentatonic patterns.

A first for me!!

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