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Jun 1 2012, 03:30 PM
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Hello guy! I just found this new about RHCP realizing 18 singles in the next 6 months. In the last months I have been thinking about doing something similar with my band. Instead of working on a new album, I was thinking on recording singles to keep generating new things for fans.
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcomi...gle_series.html What do you think of this a a music fan and also as a musician? What are the pros and cons of each way of releasing music? -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 1 2012, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 1 2012, 10:30 AM)  Hello guy! I just found this new about RHCP realizing 18 singles in the next 6 months. In the last months I have been thinking about doing something similar with my band. Instead of working on a new album, I was thinking on recording singles to keep generating new things for fans. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcomi...gle_series.html What do you think of this a a music fan and also as a musician? What are the pros and cons of each way of releasing music? I'm surprised no one has done this before. I think the days of the album are behind us, because many people just get the song they want from iTunes, or any similar online merchant. Bands can now just focus on one song at a time, which should produce more inspired music. Its always been that an album has a few good singles, and the rest is just filler. I think it will also invoke more variety in styles by a particular band, because there is no longer a need for the whole album to have a similar musical style or be to have a uniform production. Each song will be its own entity. --------------------  He who laughs last thinks slowest. "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens Gear: Guitars: Uncle Rufus' Twanger Classic Amps: Mississippi Boom Box Mojo: Hammer of Odin and a pair of Ox gonads Inspiration: Samuel Adams Boston Lager Zero to Hero: 1,387/10,000 |
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Jun 1 2012, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (Mudbone @ Jun 1 2012, 12:25 PM) I'm surprised no one has done this before. I think the days of the album are behind us, because many people just get the song they want from iTunes, or any similar online merchant. Bands can now just focus on one song at a time, which should produce more inspired music. Its always been that an album has a few good singles, and the rest is just filler. I think it will also invoke more variety in styles by a particular band, because there is no longer a need for the whole album to have a similar musical style or be to have a uniform production. Each song will be its own entity. That's exactly what I was thinking. 
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Jun 1 2012, 06:24 PM
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It's been done quite a few times before - including back in the days of vinyl - but often culminating in the LP release. It can be good if you can manage the process to sustain and build interest. Rather like an LP you don't necessarily want to put out all the best tracks right at the begnning or right at the end, you need to decide how you'll manage the release order.
One big advantage of an LP is that you're much more likely to end up witha coherent sounding set as they will have been recorded by the same engineers, at the same time and in the same studio. If the singles are done using different engineers/studios or even dislocated over a long period of time with the same engineers/studios it's less likely to be coherent. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it is something to consider. 18 singles in 6 months is a lot and I have to assume that they have already recorded most of them and are just schedulling release dates. If they haven't then imho they can easily run in to workload issues. It can easily take several weeks to record/mix/master one commercial single, so trying to do 3 a month for 6 months... That's a lot of studio time and also a lot of pressure on the engineers to work to a very artifical timescale. In my experience the more you put pressure on, whether its a time or budget contraint, or both, the worse the end result tends to be. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Jun 1 2012, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jun 1 2012, 02:24 PM) It's been done quite a few times before - including back in the days of vinyl - but often culminating in the LP release. It can be good if you can manage the process to sustain and build interest. Rather like an LP you don't necessarily want to put out all the best tracks right at the begnning or right at the end, you need to decide how you'll manage the release order. One big advantage of an LP is that you're much more likely to end up witha coherent sounding set as they will have been recorded by the same engineers, at the same time and in the same studio. If the singles are done using different engineers/studios or even dislocated over a long period of time with the same engineers/studios it's less likely to be coherent. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it is something to consider. 18 singles in 6 months is a lot and I have to assume that they have already recorded most of them and are just schedulling release dates. If they haven't then imho they can easily run in to workload issues. It can easily take several weeks to record/mix/master one commercial single, so trying to do 3 a month for 6 months... That's a lot of studio time and also a lot of pressure on the engineers to work to a very artifical timescale. In my experience the more you put pressure on, whether its a time or budget contraint, or both, the worse the end result tends to be. yes, this is true... my idea wasn't that big quantity of releases that RHCP is going to do, maybe recording 2 or 3 songs at the same time, and publishing them one per month (or one month and a half). -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 1 2012, 07:40 PM
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I love the answers Mudbone and Tony gave - as a fan, waiting several months for activity from an artist gives the impression the artist is hibernating, so unless there's a show to go to, out of sight - out of mind. If you were able to release something monthly, that would definitely keep me interested because curiosity would always be there - what's coming next?
On the other hand, recording so much in such a short time I would imagine would be a full time job! Is there middle ground I wonder? Perhaps releasing self-mixed (not mastered) previews of songs on your site, then gauge popularity based on views/downloads, and then the most popular would be re-mixed/mastered by the same engineer/studio into an album release to get the cohesiveness? That I think would reduce the number of "filler" tracks on an album, and give the engineer a complete package to work with. Just thinking out loud. Good topic! Chris! -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Jun 2 2012, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 1 2012, 02:30 PM) Hello guy! I just found this new about RHCP realizing 18 singles in the next 6 months. In the last months I have been thinking about doing something similar with my band. Instead of working on a new album, I was thinking on recording singles to keep generating new things for fans. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcomi...gle_series.html What do you think of this a a music fan and also as a musician? What are the pros and cons of each way of releasing music? Great idea! That's what I have been doing It will generate more exposure since you are promoting each track separately! Let me know how it goes and we can share some promotional ideas!
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Jun 3 2012, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Jun 1 2012, 03:40 PM) I love the answers Mudbone and Tony gave - as a fan, waiting several months for activity from an artist gives the impression the artist is hibernating, so unless there's a show to go to, out of sight - out of mind. If you were able to release something monthly, that would definitely keep me interested because curiosity would always be there - what's coming next? On the other hand, recording so much in such a short time I would imagine would be a full time job! Is there middle ground I wonder? Perhaps releasing self-mixed (not mastered) previews of songs on your site, then gauge popularity based on views/downloads, and then the most popular would be re-mixed/mastered by the same engineer/studio into an album release to get the cohesiveness? That I think would reduce the number of "filler" tracks on an album, and give the engineer a complete package to work with. Just thinking out loud. Good topic! Chris! Hey Chris, this is a very original idea, and I would try it with any solo project. The only problem that I find is that the songs would lose impact if the fans first hears the demo version. -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 4 2012, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 2 2012, 04:42 PM) Hey Chris, this is a very original idea, and I would try it with any solo project. The only problem that I find is that the songs would lose impact if the fans first hears the demo version. Well, just thinking outside the box Personally, when I listen to an album, my focus is on individual songs, not the album as a whole and if I like a song, I tend to listen to it several times so impact or first impressions for me are based on the song itself. I group songs I like into play lists, and I always prefer studio versions better than live versions so if I run across a studio version, I'll replace the live version with it on my play list. But that's just me. You know your fans better than I do! 
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Jun 5 2012, 03:23 PM
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I think the problem with releasing just singles, is they have to be instant hits, it causes the music to be even more disposable. With an album you may have song that appear to be fillers but after a few listens become favourites.
This was a problem when we moved to cds where tracks were easy to skip or you could create playlists. Songs take on a whole new life when listened to in an order that the artist wanted you to hear them in. I'll compromise and say release EPs rather than singles -------------------- My SoundCloud
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Jun 5 2012, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Jun 5 2012, 03:23 PM) ... Songs take on a whole new life when listened to in an order that the artist wanted you to hear them in. ... Absolutely. It also means tracks can be sequenced, gapped, faded and X-faded to achieve appropriate artisitic requirements. All of that is lost with shuffle/random play. Digital mp3 is arguable even more so as they don't hold the pq properly so all of that is lost. If you took an album like Pink Floyd's 'Wish you were here' and removed all the fades/xfades/gaps etc and put it on random/shuffle it would lose a lot of the impact. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Jun 5 2012, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE (Yash @ Jun 5 2012, 01:53 PM) This is a great idea Gab. But just like two sides of a coin, this one has its negatives too. 1. You might not have enough songs for a nice big concert if you do this 2. You can't do concept albums. 3. Some ideas which come to you during a writing session might just be left incomplete. You know, sometimes a song originates in the studio and gets finished there, so you might not be able to do that. Good entry mate. Yes, these are valid things, in the case of my band point one wouldn't be a problem because we already have two albums but it could be for a new band. -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 6 2012, 08:14 AM
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I like the idea of singles or Eps for side projects rather than a main band's output
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Jun 6 2012, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE (Mudbone @ Jun 1 2012, 05:25 PM) I'm surprised no one has done this before. I think the days of the album are behind us, because many people just get the song they want from iTunes, or any similar online merchant. Agreed
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