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Alex Feather
post Aug 20 2012, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Aug 19 2012, 06:40 PM) *
http://soundcloud.com/mattkid/theory-with-click

Here you go Alex, It's at 65 bpm

Man it's a beautiful song!!! I like it so much!
Now when you have recorded it with a click I need a few things:
- Take of the click (you can leave countdown if you want)
- Reupload the track without a click and make it downloadable
- What chords are you using?
- What is the tempo

It will be a very very nice tune and we will have so much fun working and analyzing it! smile.gif
I am looking forward to finish the backing track! smile.gif


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post Aug 20 2012, 06:32 PM
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The track is at 65 bpm

The Chords would be (I think)

A/G#7/C#m/D6b5
A/Am/G#m/C#m
Amaj7/Am/Gsus4/G# dim
A/G#7/C#m/C#7
A/Am/E2


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post Aug 22 2012, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Aug 20 2012, 05:32 PM) *
The track is at 65 bpm

The Chords would be (I think)

A/G#7/C#m/D6b5
A/Am/G#m/C#m
Amaj7/Am/Gsus4/G# dim
A/G#7/C#m/C#7
A/Am/E2


Perfect!! Give me a few days to make a backing track! smile.gif
For now let's analyze the chord progression and talk about possible scales you can play over it!
Let's start with a first line
A/G#7/C#m/D6b5

I would like you to tell me what would be your scales choice?


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post Aug 22 2012, 06:20 AM
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A/G#7/C#m/D6b5


A Maj or Maj Pent
G# Mix
C# minor Pent
D maj Pent (but swap the 5th for b5)


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post Aug 23 2012, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Aug 22 2012, 06:20 AM) *
A/G#7/C#m/D6b5


A Maj or Maj Pent
G# Mix
C# minor Pent
D maj Pent (but swap the 5th for b5)



Ok I'm correcting this as it's wrong. I was just in bed thinking over the piece



The piece is in A Lydian not E maj (until we resolve on the E maj at the end)

A/G#7/C#m/D6b5

This is off the top of my head purely based on the chord tones

A Lydian or A Maj Pent
G#Mix Not sure about this one as the G#7 is a parallel Major sub from Gm7
C# Aeolian or C# minor Pent
E Mixolydian (or a chromatic run as we have 4 consecutive tones it might just work!)
Choosing E Mix as the D6b5 is a tritone sup for the Dominant chord (E7) we have the D and G# as the tritone, D6b5 chord could be also named E9add11 no root or Eadd9add11/D

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post Aug 23 2012, 10:57 AM
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Ok so I've done some research and over the G#7 it looks (notes contained in it )and sounds like G# Phrygian Dominant works


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post Aug 24 2012, 05:04 AM
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Good choices of the scales! I have a questions:

1) G#Mix Not sure about this one as the G#7 is a parallel Major sub from Gm7

- Not sure what you meant?

2) Also how did you come up with a phrygian dominant?


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post Aug 24 2012, 09:04 AM
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The Phrygian Dominant over the G#7 was an interesting little journey for me.

I made a quick vamp of the G#7 and started to noddle around, I found that the phrygian mode was quite close, but obviously it's a minor mode so it wouldn't fit completely, it didn't have the c natural I needed for the G#7, when I added that note to the scale I heard a harmonic minor sound so I played with that, and it came out as the C# harmonic minor, I remembered from discussions about Sweet Child Of Mine that the 5 mode of the Harmonic Minor was the Phrygian Dominant, so I checked and was correct.

I did some more vamps using the A - G#7 to make sure it would fit in context and it did



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post Aug 26 2012, 05:38 AM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Aug 24 2012, 08:04 AM) *
The Phrygian Dominant over the G#7 was an interesting little journey for me.

I made a quick vamp of the G#7 and started to noddle around, I found that the phrygian mode was quite close, but obviously it's a minor mode so it wouldn't fit completely, it didn't have the c natural I needed for the G#7, when I added that note to the scale I heard a harmonic minor sound so I played with that, and it came out as the C# harmonic minor, I remembered from discussions about Sweet Child Of Mine that the 5 mode of the Harmonic Minor was the Phrygian Dominant, so I checked and was correct.

I did some more vamps using the A - G#7 to make sure it would fit in context and it did

Interesting! smile.gif I like the way you are thinking! Why didn't you pick G# mixolydian? Since it is a 7th chord


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post Aug 26 2012, 06:49 AM
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I didn't pick G# Mix because although it's a 7th chord it wasn't the V chord (which I'd normally associate with the mixolydian mode),playing it didn't work for me the F and Bb in the mode clashed with the progression and the scale didn't help get to the C#m.

As with all my ideas on theory I test them out on guitar to make sure it sounds good to me.


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post Aug 27 2012, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Aug 26 2012, 05:49 AM) *
I didn't pick G# Mix because although it's a 7th chord it wasn't the V chord (which I'd normally associate with the mixolydian mode),playing it didn't work for me the F and Bb in the mode clashed with the progression and the scale didn't help get to the C#m.

As with all my ideas on theory I test them out on guitar to make sure it sounds good to me.


Makes sense! smile.gif Your track will be ready tomorrow so we can start experimenting! and will try different modes and scales! wink.gif


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post Sep 8 2012, 12:59 AM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Aug 26 2012, 05:49 AM) *
I didn't pick G# Mix because although it's a 7th chord it wasn't the V chord (which I'd normally associate with the mixolydian mode),playing it didn't work for me the F and Bb in the mode clashed with the progression and the scale didn't help get to the C#m.

As with all my ideas on theory I test them out on guitar to make sure it sounds good to me.

Here is the track I have created! I would like you to record a solo I would love to hear what you can come up with! smile.gif
http://soundcloud.com/alex-feather-akimov/smoothjazz
Let me know what do you think! smile.gif


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post Sep 9 2012, 08:48 AM
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Alex could you post the backing without my original guitar chord melody track, I find it quite tough to come up with ideas with that there, unless you purposely want me to compose a solo that works around the melody, in which case I'll have to battle on!


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post Sep 10 2012, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Sep 9 2012, 07:48 AM) *
Alex could you post the backing without my original guitar chord melody track, I find it quite tough to come up with ideas with that there, unless you purposely want me to compose a solo that works around the melody, in which case I'll have to battle on!

Here it is! Let me know what do you think!
Attached File  Backing_without_guitar.mp3 ( 2.26MB ) Number of downloads: 32


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post Oct 8 2012, 10:57 AM
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I'm really struggling with this chord sequence Alex, it's so different from the diatonic type 4 chord stuff I usually have to play over (and I can't even blame you, seeing as I came up with it!)

I gave up on it for a while, I will try and come up with something, even if I'm not happy with it so you have something to critique and give advice and help with.


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post Oct 9 2012, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Oct 8 2012, 09:57 AM) *
I'm really struggling with this chord sequence Alex, it's so different from the diatonic type 4 chord stuff I usually have to play over (and I can't even blame you, seeing as I came up with it!)

I gave up on it for a while, I will try and come up with something, even if I'm not happy with it so you have something to critique and give advice and help with.

Let's do it this way! We will start by analyzing this chord progression Write first 4 chords and give me an idea about what you would play over it


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post Oct 24 2012, 01:04 AM
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Hi I just wanted to follow up and check on you? How is everything going? Do you have any troubles with the chords?


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post Oct 31 2012, 08:01 AM
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Alex can we move towards Chord Melody type stuff, like Ted Greene and Joe Pass.

I have both of Ted Greene's books Chord Chemistry and Modern Chord Progressions, but they aren't something I've been able to make much use of by myself.

Maybe take a contemporary song and looking at making it instrumental with some interesting chord subs, re harmonising etc and going over the theory of it.

That's definitely where my interest in the more 'jazz' sounding stuff is rather than single line soloing or fusion etc

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post Oct 31 2012, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Oct 31 2012, 07:01 AM) *
Alex can we move towards Chord Melody type stuff, like Ted Greene and Joe Pass.

I have both of Ted Greene's books Chord Chemistry and Modern Chord Progressions, but they aren't something I've been able to make much use of by myself.

Maybe take a contemporary song and looking at making it instrumental with some interesting chord subs, re harmonising etc and going over the theory of it.

That's definitely where my interest in the more 'jazz' sounding stuff is rather than single line soloing or fusion etc

What happened to the track we were working on? Unfortunately I can't teach you copyrighted material What we can do is take a famous Jazz standard and use the chord progression only you can write your own melody and improvise over it
What do you think?


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post Oct 31 2012, 09:58 AM
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I'm still working on it, I'll record where I'm at tomorrow (I have a day off),

A/G#7/C#m/D6b5
A/Am/G#m/C#m
Amaj7/Am/Gsus4/G# dim I think it's here I have problems, around the Gsus4 part, I'll try some arpeggio type thing there maybe
A/G#7/C#m/C#7
A/Am/E2

but I would like to go towards chord melody style afterwards rather than improv, I understand about the copywrited material issue, Is something like 'The Way You Look Tonight' a standard that we could take the melody, work it into a basic chord melody piece and then have fun with substitutions and re harmonising?


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