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post Jul 24 2012, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Jul 24 2012, 09:37 AM) *
I just know that would feel so good.. no modern crap and unimportant stress to worry about ! smile.gif


Well, I would still be stressed out about my crops, but I know which bugs I can use as an insect deterrent and which birds I can house for the same reasons. I can make the necessary precautions so I can keep up the tradition of organic farming.


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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Jul 24 2012, 09:07 AM) *
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Who knows, I might buy myself a farmhouse out near a forest and stream someday and survive off the land. That is kind of a dream of mine. I could even be self - sustaining and get some solar panels in order to sell energy back to the electric company.


Sound's a little like Thoreau smile.gif.

For what it's worth we did some of this when we moved to Spain some years back albeit that we're not close to 100% self-sufficient. We looked in to photovoltaic solar but it was a non-starter for us as the purchase cost was very steep and at the time there were no grants. (It was something like 60k Euros.)

The recent economic crisis in Spain has lead a lot of people in Andalucia to go back to their small holdings/huertas because many haven't been paid in months.


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post Jul 24 2012, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jul 24 2012, 11:01 AM) *
Sound's a little like Thoreau smile.gif.

For what it's worth we did some of this when we moved to Spain some years back albeit that we're not close to 100% self-sufficient. We looked in to photovoltaic solar but it was a non-starter for us as the purchase cost was very steep and at the time there were no grants. (It was something like 60k Euros.)

The recent economic crisis in Spain has lead a lot of people in Andalucia to go back to their small holdings/huertas because many haven't been paid in months.


I have been seeing a lot of that in the news. I actually thought about you today as well when I was watching Al Jazeera(I promise it is less creepy than it sounds). How are you and your family doing? I hope you are all doing well.


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post Jul 24 2012, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Jul 24 2012, 12:40 PM) *
I have been seeing a lot of that in the news. I actually thought about you today as well when I was watching Al Jazeera(I promise it is less creepy than it sounds). How are you and your family doing? I hope you are all doing well.


We're ok thanks smile.gif.

Was it the news about Valencia and Murcia (two of the main Spanish autonimous regions) who have declared bankruptcy this week?

We worry that Andalucia may not be far behind - we have a friend in the fire brigade and he hasn't been paid at all for 4 months. Jerez de la Frontera, one of our big main cities, is officially bankrupt and cannot pay any of its employees and it looks like several other big cities are on the brink.

We're lucky to be quite insulated from much of the economic crisis directly as we have no mortgage. So we are lucky enough to at least have a roof over our heads whatever happens but we have friends who have lost their homes and jobs. It's horrid to see people you know lose pretty much everything they have worked years for. In Andalucia we also talk about the 'lost generation' meaning the 50% of kids round here who are unemployed and may never ever be able to get a job. A lot of them have kind of given up and perhaps because of it the regional suicide rate has quadrupled.

I just hope things have improved before my daughter needs to go out to work...


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Things in Spain are pretty dramatic at the moment.
In Germany, it's the other way round...we are in need of engineers but the companies rarely find any.
So a month ago, 100 engineers from Spain came to Germany (Villingen-Schwenningen to be precise, 20 km south of Rottweil) and met with companies to get a job here. I was involved in the whole planning process. Both the engineers and the companies were quite happy afterwards and both sides are sure that about 20% of these 100 engineers will be hired to work in Germany.
I close friend of mine is from Spain and moved here a few years ago because there was no chance for her to find work in Spain.
I'm curious to see how many of them will actually take a job in Germany and stay for a longer period of time (winter in Germany is not very pleasant for most spanish folks, to say the least...)

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QUOTE (Gitarrero @ Jul 24 2012, 01:29 PM) *
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So a month ago, 100 engineers from Spain came to Germany (Villingen-Schwenningen to be precise, 20 km south of Rottweil) and met with companies to get a job here.
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I'm curious to see how many of them will actually take a job in Germany and stay for a longer period of time (winter in Germany is not very pleasant for most spanish folks, to say the least...)

Christian


I was talking with a neighbour recently who's about 78 yrs old. When he was in his 20s he went to work in one of the car plants in Germany and his cousin did the same but for Fiat in Italy because there was no work here. He was comparing things now with then. He thinks things are a bit better in Spain now because people aren't being killed by the government...

The job situation here though is bad. A friend's daughter has just moved back home from Madrid. The daughter is 29 years old, has an MSc in Finance and is fluent in Spanish, Italian and English. For the last couple of years she was a 'trainee' accountant and she was paid 650 Euros a month - her rent was 500 euros a month so her parents gave her money to live on. This month the company 'let her go' with no warning citing just cause under the recent labour reform bill. Yesterday I met my accountant and she suggested again that I 'let go' my assistant for the same reason. I told her that I'd get a new accountant first.


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QUOTE (Gitarrero @ Jul 24 2012, 08:29 AM) *
Things in Spain are pretty dramatic at the moment.
In Germany, it's the other way round...we are in need of engineers but the companies rarely find any.

Christian


Really? I graduate with an engineering degree next year. I wouldn't object to living in Germany wink.gif


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Just learn some german and come over biggrin.gif
It's true, german economy needs way more engineers in the future.
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post Jul 24 2012, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (Gitarrero @ Jul 24 2012, 07:52 PM) *
Just learn some german and come over biggrin.gif
It's true, german economy needs way more engineers in the future.
And you can always count on my help, I've got some good contacts to companies that hire engineers smile.gif


And there are like millions of jobless engineers here in India tongue.gif tongue.gif Seriously, no kidding


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QUOTE (Gitarrero @ Jul 24 2012, 10:22 AM) *
Just learn some german and come over biggrin.gif
It's true, german economy needs way more engineers in the future.
And you can always count on my help, I've got some good contacts to companies that hire engineers smile.gif


Thanks bro, much appreciated biggrin.gif Now I just have to polish up my German and whip out my Lederhosen laugh.gif


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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Jul 24 2012, 05:37 AM) *
I just know that would feel so good.. no modern crap and unimportant stress to worry about ! smile.gif


I hear ya! Move to the mountains. Play loud, no neighbors to complain! Awesome smile.gif


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post Jul 24 2012, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jul 24 2012, 12:08 PM) *
We're ok thanks smile.gif.

Was it the news about Valencia and Murcia (two of the main Spanish autonimous regions) who have declared bankruptcy this week?

We worry that Andalucia may not be far behind - we have a friend in the fire brigade and he hasn't been paid at all for 4 months. Jerez de la Frontera, one of our big main cities, is officially bankrupt and cannot pay any of its employees and it looks like several other big cities are on the brink.

We're lucky to be quite insulated from much of the economic crisis directly as we have no mortgage. So we are lucky enough to at least have a roof over our heads whatever happens but we have friends who have lost their homes and jobs. It's horrid to see people you know lose pretty much everything they have worked years for. In Andalucia we also talk about the 'lost generation' meaning the 50% of kids round here who are unemployed and may never ever be able to get a job. A lot of them have kind of given up and perhaps because of it the regional suicide rate has quadrupled.

I just hope things have improved before my daughter needs to go out to work...



The happenings in Valencia and Murcia were only part of what I have been hearing/seeing on AlJazeera. I have namely been seeing the boycotts and such. A lot of people are getting cut off in order to "repair" the economy. I really hope it all works out. I am not an economist, so i wouldn't even begin to question the decision.


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jul 24 2012, 01:08 PM) *
We're ok thanks smile.gif.

Was it the news about Valencia and Murcia (two of the main Spanish autonimous regions) who have declared bankruptcy this week?

We worry that Andalucia may not be far behind - we have a friend in the fire brigade and he hasn't been paid at all for 4 months. Jerez de la Frontera, one of our big main cities, is officially bankrupt and cannot pay any of its employees and it looks like several other big cities are on the brink.

We're lucky to be quite insulated from much of the economic crisis directly as we have no mortgage. So we are lucky enough to at least have a roof over our heads whatever happens but we have friends who have lost their homes and jobs. It's horrid to see people you know lose pretty much everything they have worked years for. In Andalucia we also talk about the 'lost generation' meaning the 50% of kids round here who are unemployed and may never ever be able to get a job. A lot of them have kind of given up and perhaps because of it the regional suicide rate has quadrupled.

I just hope things have improved before my daughter needs to go out to work...



QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Jul 24 2012, 11:33 PM) *
The happenings in Valencia and Murcia were only part of what I have been hearing/seeing on AlJazeera. I have namely been seeing the boycotts and such. A lot of people are getting cut off in order to "repair" the economy. I really hope it all works out. I am not an economist, so i wouldn't even begin to question the decision.

well,you certainly are not making the case for European socialism
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jul 25 2012, 02:24 AM) *
well,you certainly are not making the case for European socialism


There have been empires and democracies as well that have endured or toppled due to economic stress. It just happens. Keep in mind that the financial and governmental sectors are vastly separate. We have enough of a problem here in America with people thinking that the government is in control of the companies that contribute both positively and negatively to our financial issues. The only governments that can really be blamed or really control that is a communist country. Because of you know, their lack of free trade and complete government control over business.

If you want less government, then you have less of an ability to blame them for the hassles of the failing global economy. Oh, yeah. Our "Republic Economy" is failing too. Did you forget about that as well? This crisis isn't provincial, it is worldwide.

The economy of a socialist and/or democratic country has nothing to do with the style of government running it -- you should know this by now if you pay attention to history and the basic structuring of our own and other countries governments.

The Eurozone debt crisis has nothing to do with socialism, but rather with the structuring of an economy that stretches across MULTIPLE countries as opposed to one. This, in turn, gives rise to higher chances of success and/or failure. The more countries that partake, the higher the extremes.

Look at Canada. They out - earned Americans by an average of 40K EACH this last quarter. May I remind you that they are socialist?

Not to mention all the Scandinavian countries(that are socialist) and still doing fantastic. Hell, even countries within the Eurozone such as France and Germany are doing fine. They too, happen to be socialist.

Lastly, I have no problem debating this, but this is a thread about Aurora and Holmes. Make a new one if you feel like debating politics and economics. We don't need to threadjack -- especially when it is about the subject of slaughter. That would be a relatively indecent thing for us to do.

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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Jul 25 2012, 04:30 AM) *
Lastly, I have no problem debating this, but this is a thread about Aurora and Holmes. Make a new one if you feel like debating politics and economics. We don't need to threadjack -- especially when it is about the subject of slaughter. That would be a relatively indecent thing for us to do.

it's funny that you can highjack this thread , and then tell me ,I can't
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I didn't read through the entire thread, so forgive me if someone posted this already. I was browsing the news this morning and read that gun sales in the US have increased dramatically since the movie theatre shooting. *sigh*

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07...s-colorado.html

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QUOTE (spacebran @ Jul 26 2012, 04:17 AM) *
I didn't read through the entire thread, so forgive me if someone posted this already. I was browsing the news this morning and read that gun sales in the US have increased dramatically since the movie theatre shooting. *sigh*

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07...s-colorado.html


Indeed they have. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, though. This happened recently.

http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/s...sRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

Not to mention:

People killed in mass shootings in America 2002-2012- 117 ([1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers)
American firearms homicides last year- 11,493 ([2] http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm)
Defensive gun uses in America per year- 2,000,000+ ([3] http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html)
% of gun uses that "almost certainly" saved a life- 15.7% ([4] http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html)
Lives saved assuming 9/10 of the 15.7% did not save a life- 25,000


Any weapon can be dangerous in the hands of a crazed individual, but there are a lot of people that use them responsibly.

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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Jul 25 2012, 10:23 PM) *
Indeed they have. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, though. This happened recently.

http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/s...sRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

Not to mention:

People killed in mass shootings in America 2002-2012- 117 ([1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers)
American firearms homicides last year- 11,493 ([2] http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm)
Defensive gun uses in America per year- 2,000,000+ ([3] http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html)
% of gun uses that "almost certainly" saved a life- 15.7% ([4] http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html)
Lives saved assuming 9/10 of the 15.7% did not save a life- 25,000


Any weapon can be dangerous in the hands of a crazed individual, but there are a lot of people that use them responsibly.


Interesting, indeed!
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QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Jul 24 2012, 07:30 PM) *
There have been empires and democracies as well that have endured or toppled due to economic stress. It just happens. Keep in mind that the financial and governmental sectors are vastly separate. We have enough of a problem here in America with people thinking that the government is in control of the companies that contribute both positively and negatively to our financial issues. The only governments that can really be blamed or really control that is a communist country. Because of you know, their lack of free trade and complete government control over business.

Come on man really? It just happens? What do you call massive amounts of taxpayer dollars going to buisinesses and financial institutions deemed "To big to fail" by the government and then watching those buisinesses and financial institutions continue with buisiness as usual instead of letting the free market take its course. And what about over regulation, or under regulation for that matter,what about tax codes?
Maybe the Gov doesn't have complete control here but their actions most certainly manipulate buisinesses, financial institutions and therefor the economy in these and other ways.
For better or for worse, whichever way you see it.
("Keep in mind that the financial and governmental sectors are vastly separate.")
I just looked up "Naive" in the dictionary and saw you picture. wink.gif
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jul 29 2012, 04:34 AM) *
Come on man really? It just happens? What do you call massive amounts of taxpayer dollars going to buisinesses and financial institutions deemed "To big to fail" by the government and then watching those buisinesses and financial institutions continue with buisiness as usual instead of letting the free market take its course. And what about over regulation, or under regulation for that matter,what about tax codes?
Maybe the Gov doesn't have complete control here but their actions most certainly manipulate buisinesses, financial institutions and therefor the economy in these and other ways.
For better or for worse, whichever way you see it.
("Keep in mind that the financial and governmental sectors are vastly separate.")
I just looked up "Naive" in the dictionary and saw you picture. wink.gif


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