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Ben Higgins
post Aug 1 2012, 09:09 AM
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Now, we normally all agree that thick picks are better for high speed accuracy and consistency but every now and then, somebody comes along and throws out the rulebook !



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post Aug 1 2012, 09:22 AM
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Does he do like a "triangle" movement with the pick ?
But that control of the wrist. My god ! Good technique.


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post Aug 1 2012, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE (WeePee @ Aug 1 2012, 09:22 AM) *
Does he do like a "triangle" movement with the pick ?
But that control of the wrist. My god ! Good technique.


I have no idea, it's weird isn't it ?

Yeah, I'd love to be able to do that !! smile.gif


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post Aug 3 2012, 04:10 AM
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It's impressive! But he does sound like he's "stumbling" just a bit when he gets up to speed due to the pick flapping about. Not to bag on his technique, but the pick itself seems like it can't keep up with him and creating fractional lag at the string. Check out time index

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Also, notice how hard he is striking? Something else I found when I used lighter picks, due to the flex you sometimes end up making up for it with brute force. But still, amazing playing considering that wafer thin pick!

Some folks just prefer thin picks and more power to em!

Here is a quick demo vid of my practice this evening while watching ghost busters smile.gif I'm using a thick pick per usual and due to the heft, don't have to lean in to blow as much. But again, it's all down to personal preference. Here is the vid.

Reach "Speed" at time index
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Aug 1 2012, 04:09 AM) *
Now, we normally all agree that thick picks are better for high speed accuracy and consistency but every now and then, somebody comes along and throws out the rulebook !



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post Aug 3 2012, 04:31 AM
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I know that Paul Gilbert uses a 0.60mm pick biggrin.gif


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post Aug 3 2012, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 3 2012, 04:10 AM) *
Here is a quick demo vid of my practice this evening while watching ghost busters smile.gif


That is a super sweet lick.. bit of economy in there for the ascent ? smile.gif

Ghostbusters must give out some special powers.. I must watch some wink.gif


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post Aug 5 2012, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Aug 3 2012, 04:30 AM) *
That is a super sweet lick.. bit of economy in there for the ascent ? smile.gif

Ghostbusters must give out some special powers.. I must watch some wink.gif


Yes! smile.gif I almost always use...


ECONOMIC FOR ASCENDING

ALTERNATE FOR DESCENDING

That way you leverage the natural physics of the motion of the hand as it moves towards higher strings. It's honestly the big thing that allowed me to finally break my own speed barrier.


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post Aug 5 2012, 10:17 PM
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Are those hardened steel frets on that fretlight guitar Todd? Looks like it/similar to my Parker frets, which I love. I REALLY want to pick up a fretlight guitar sometime this year, and though part of me wants to just get the cheaper model, I KNOW I'll appreciate the more expensive ones.


QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 2 2012, 08:10 PM) *
Here is a quick demo vid of my practice this evening while watching ghost busters smile.gif I'm using a thick pick per usual and due to the heft, don't have to lean in to blow as much. But again, it's all down to personal preference. Here is the vid.

Reach "Speed" at time index
0:14




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post Aug 5 2012, 11:03 PM
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This is the 451 PRO in the vid. It was a prototype at the time but they have since changed the design of the "Pro" Series. This one is flamed maple, the new ones are Birds Eye Maple smile.gif
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It's a great learning tool IMHO (Although, it's not everyone's cup of tea). The new starter version is much more affordable and has the neck lights which is the party piece of the axe. The nicer models do have better pickups etc. But yeah the price spikes up pretty quick. The model I have listed for $899 for example.

The frets feel like super jumbo which is nice smile.gif I wish it came with a locking trem, but the fixed bridge works fine.

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Are those hardened steel frets on that fretlight guitar Todd? Looks like it/similar to my Parker frets, which I love. I REALLY want to pick up a fretlight guitar sometime this year, and though part of me wants to just get the cheaper model, I KNOW I'll appreciate the more expensive ones.


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post Aug 6 2012, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 5 2012, 12:00 AM) *
Yes! smile.gif I almost always use...


ECONOMIC FOR ASCENDING

ALTERNATE FOR DESCENDING

That way you leverage the natural physics of the motion of the hand as it moves towards higher strings. It's honestly the big thing that allowed me to finally break my own speed barrier.


Just wanted a little clarification, by ascending you mean going from the low E string to the High E string(Ascending according to tone), with descending being the opposite?


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post Aug 6 2012, 02:47 AM
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BINGO! That's exactly wink.gif Finding out that one little thing and incorporating it in to my playing allowed me to break through to the "Speed Wall" so to speak smile.gif

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QUOTE (casinostrat @ Aug 5 2012, 08:25 PM) *
Just wanted a little clarification, by ascending you mean going from the low E string to the High E string(Ascending according to tone), with descending being the opposite?



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post Aug 6 2012, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (derper @ Aug 5 2012, 10:17 PM) *
Are those hardened steel frets on that fretlight guitar Todd?


They are steel, forged in hell from The Devil's own cutlery !! cool.gif


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post Aug 6 2012, 11:44 AM
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Even I use .73 mm laugh.gif


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post Aug 9 2012, 04:10 PM
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I don't think there is a right or wrong pick, it has to feel "right" for you, that is what matters in my opinion. Personally I definitely need a hard pick, something around 1,6-2.0 mm is perfect for me and my whole way of picking is based on using those kind of picks. I guess if I would switch to thin and flexible picks now I would completely have to change my way of picking, bu I guess it would be possible... I am just too lazy to even try it and I don't see a reason to do so ;-)


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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Aug 9 2012, 04:10 PM) *
I guess if I would switch to thin and flexible picks now I would completely have to change my way of picking, bu I guess it would be possible... I am just too lazy to even try it and I don't see a reason to do so ;-)


I don't think it's laziness really, I think you've got the right idea. If you have something that works for you and has worked that way for numerous years then there's no reason to change it smile.gif


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post Aug 11 2012, 01:22 AM
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Well said smile.gif I agree all the way. As I"m always banging on about, there really isn't a "Best" pick/pickup/guitar/head, it really comes down to the player at the end of the day.

I suggest thicker picks for students as a training tool to help them progress as they work through my lessons in particular. Once they have gotten the skills they need, they can probably play whatever they like with paper thin picks, or with huge 2.0 monsters. It depends on the tone/style they are developing.

But personally, I'm a HUGE fan of thick picks for a variety of reasons as they suit my style of play. I do a TON of very fast pick articulation which I've tried with thinner picks. I lose microseconds to the flex of the pick. That's fine when playing blues. Not so fine when shredding at top speed.

Some players simply can't stand thick picks. For those folks, I usually suggest a training pick like the STYLUS PICK to get through my chat/lessons and then switch to their regular pick for daily practice. The firm/thick/sharp pick, really can help when students are learning to control their precision. I've seen it for years. But again, after "Boot Camp" it's much less of an issue.

MARCUS: Thanks very much for adding your thoughts to this thread!

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I don't think there is a right or wrong pick, it has to feel "right" for you, that is what matters in my opinion. Personally I definitely need a hard pick, something around 1,6-2.0 mm is perfect for me and my whole way of picking is based on using those kind of picks. I guess if I would switch to thin and flexible picks now I would completely have to change my way of picking, bu I guess it would be possible... I am just too lazy to even try it and I don't see a reason to do so ;-)



Bingo! We have a saying here, "If it isn't broken, don't fix it". But if it is broken, that's another matter!

QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Aug 10 2012, 02:58 AM) *
I don't think it's laziness really, I think you've got the right idea. If you have something that works for you and has worked that way for numerous years then there's no reason to change it smile.gif



That should be a new line of picks! DEVILS CUTLERY PICKS!

QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Aug 6 2012, 06:33 AM) *
They are steel, forged in hell from The Devil's own cutlery !! cool.gif



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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 11 2012, 01:22 AM) *
That should be a new line of picks! DEVILS CUTLERY PICKS!


A joint venture maybe ?? laugh.gif



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post Aug 12 2012, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Aug 11 2012, 04:12 AM) *
A joint venture maybe ?? laugh.gif


DEVILS CUTLERY:
First Line: DRAGONS TOOTH picks.

Let's do it! wink.gif We could make some special designs and what not. Maybe give the picks little shaped horns at the top which would aid in pick grip. We could put angel wing graphics on one side, and devil wings on the back. Then have them sharpened at the factory and call the first line "Dragons Teeth". After the old legend about burying the teeth of dragons on the battlefield so that they will resurrect when needed for battle.

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Wow, amazing technique!

I use 1.0mm picks, strike strings hard too and don't feel comfortable with thiner picks.

But if it works for him (you), why not? smile.gif


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post Aug 13 2012, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 12 2012, 11:02 PM) *
DEVILS CUTLERY:
First Line: DRAGONS TOOTH picks.

Let's do it! wink.gif We could make some special designs and what not. Maybe give the picks little shaped horns at the top which would aid in pick grip. We could put angel wing graphics on one side, and devil wings on the back. Then have them sharpened at the factory and call the first line "Dragons Teeth". After the old legend about burying the teeth of dragons on the battlefield so that they will resurrect when needed for battle.

Todd


Hehe yeah ! Isn't that thing from that old Jason and the Argonauts movie, where he scatters dragon's teeth on the ground ? I could be getting mixed up and they may not be dragon's teeth at all... tongue.gif

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